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Thread: Willson 2960 questions/ponderings

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    Gail isn't really one to test out many different instruments. She knows what works for her and sticks to it - something I really admire about her, honestly (among the multitude of other things!) - and she's been playing on a 2950 for as long as I've known her.

    The one 2960 that was at ITEC was probably my favorite horn that was on display at the conference. Just really easy to play and had a sound I liked. Did NOT care for the trigger mechanism, however. There was a "nub" near the bottom of the paddle that pressed into my palm in a weird way which I'm sure would be painful after a two-hour rehearsal. I don't love triggers anyway, though, so YMMV, as Jim says.

    Edit - Just noticed that 2960 is pictured in my forum avatar here!
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    Interesting. Looks like she and Dave [Earll] announced their "Northern Lights Duo" as a new, exclusive Willson performance group back in Feb 2019. Guess that was short-lived (the Willson sponsorship, not the group).

    (of course, now Shires and Willson are under the same umbrella)

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    Quote Originally Posted by spkissane View Post
    The one 2960 that was at ITEC was probably my favorite horn that was on display at the conference. Just really easy to play and had a sound I liked. Did NOT care for the trigger mechanism, however. There was a "nub" near the bottom of the paddle that pressed into my palm in a weird way which I'm sure would be painful after a two-hour rehearsal. I don't love triggers anyway, though, so YMMV, as Jim says.
    How would you compare it to, say, the 2900 or the Q41 (since I've played on both)?
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  4. #14
    I’ve owned two 2960’s.

    One I bought just before covid, and I immediately bought a UK version leadpipe and had it put on. I loved the valves, the horn played well, and the notoriously flat concert A was less flat, but still flatter than it should be. It also feels a bit heavy. Both in weight, and musically.

    I did find the sound less malleable than other horns. And the trigger on Willson horns is just terrible, IMO. It applies lateral pressure when it moves in a way that tends to stick.

    So, I liked it, but moved it along to try other instruments.

    About a year ago, I bought another, this time repairably damaged. I had it fixed up, and am looking to get a UK leadpipe again, but Eastman is having a hard time figuring their parts department out, as I understand it. I’m told that Willson was down to just 9 total employees before the Eastman acquisition, so they’re building back up and training folks now.

    Long story short, For me, the 2960 is nice, and I prefer the Uk leadpipe rather than the non UK one. I have an easier time making it sing.

    I played a 2900 for my last years of undergrad, and I found it “fine”. It does what it does. More compact with fewer upper overtones, and more “core” sound.

    As always, I’m just a dude on the internet. Take my opinions with the requisite teaspoon of salt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miketeachesclass View Post
    I’ve owned two 2960’s.

    One I bought just before covid, and I immediately bought a UK version leadpipe and had it put on. I loved the valves, the horn played well, and the notoriously flat concert A was less flat, but still flatter than it should be.
    Which concert A do you mean? high register (above tuning Bb) or middle register (under tuning Bb)?

    I would like to see if my (non-UK leadpipe) 2960 has the same thing going on or if it's a consequence of the UK leadpipe
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    Middle A, just below “tuning” Bb. My current horn has the standard lead pipe at the moment.

    It’s still flat, but not as egregious as the 2900. It’s a pretty widely known Willson trait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miketeachesclass View Post
    Middle A, just below “tuning” Bb. My current horn has the standard lead pipe at the moment.

    It’s still flat, but not as egregious as the 2900. It’s a pretty widely known Willson trait.
    Michael Colburn, while he was still a euphonium player with the Marine Band (he later became its conductor) owned the nicest Willson 2900 I've ever played. We met up once when he and Phil Franke got together with me and a Sterling rep to evaluate the Sterling euphonium and give feedback. During that chat, he mentioned he was doing Endearing Young Charms on an upcoming tour. He said the problem with doing it on a Willson is that the melody's first 3 notes go from the flattest note on the horn (that middle A) to the sharpest note on the horn (the middle F).
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    Playing the A 4th valve helps.
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    Having a mostly in-tune instrument takes some of the fun out of euphonium playing have had to do some creative alternative fingerings on various Sovereigns over the years to get them in the right place
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    I just checked it and you're right, I never knew that was a 'Willson problem note', explains a lot actually.

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