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Thread: Contrasting Shires Q40 vs Q41

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    Thank you Fuji, that was a really fascinating video... Amongst all other things, it looks like the Shires custom euphonium series might be based on Q41 rather than on Q40.

    Really lov the tone and nimbleness of those prototypes.

    Regards, Guido
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  2. I got to spend some time with both the q41 and q40 at my state MEA conference in February 2020.

    The Q41 has many of the qualities of a good Willson 2900. Itís focused and direct but with a more flexible sound than the 2900. Intonation was solid and very workable. The Q41 would be a great choice for wind band playing.

    The Q40 has many of the qualities of the 41 but with a wider sound. The Q40 leans more towards the large bell Besson Sovereign. This horn would work in wind band but it seems more suited for a brass band.

    I did not take the horns apart to check QC and build quality but on the outside fit and finish seemed fine.


    Both horns I tested were large shank.
    Last edited by Euphdude967; 06-11-2021 at 08:57 PM.

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    Thank you so much EuphDude for sharing your comparative experience.... You confirm my impression from the demo by Shires's own Alexis Smith that Q40 features a broader and perhaps more Bessonian tone than Q41.

    Now listening to Brandon Jones and Hiram Diaz playing the Schostakovich prelude on the prototypes of the upcoming Custom Series euphoniums performed during the Q&A linked a couple posts above, I am having the impression that the Custom Series may be heading further along the Q41 soloist focused tone, or perhaps symphonic route.

    Truly fascinating.... Looking forward to learning more about them!

    Regards, Guido
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    Quote Originally Posted by guidocorona View Post
    Thank you so much Andrew for posting all this excellent information!

    Sadly, Flimsy threading seems to be systemic on euphoniums from Mainland China, or euphos featuring valve blocks from the People's Republic.... My quasi-entry-level priced priced Wessex Festivo is a case in point.

    But Q41 is a professional horn -- hardly entry-level. I am befuddled that Shires -- with its stellar reputation -- let such glaring flaw pass their Q.A. process. Have you tried to contact Alexis Smith at Shires about it? They might be able to address it.

    Concerning medium vs large receiver, when I chatted with Alexis a couple years ago, she seemed to have experienced little difference between the two receivers on Q euphoniums.

    BTW, have you heard any scuttlebutt about timeline/features of the future Shires custom euphonium series?

    Lastly, which mouthpiece are you using on Q41?

    Regards, Guido

    The valves certainly aren't a deal breaker for me - just something to be careful about. I've been spoiled by multiple Yamahas and a Willson over the years that were very well built. The other elements of in a fit and finish sense are head and shoulders above other entry level compensators I've seen over the years and are more in line with the other pro offerings.

    I don't know a thing about when a custom series horn might be coming, other than it will be exciting to see. I'm going to be buying new horns for my army unit sometime over the next few years and they will get consideration based on my Q41.

    I'm using a BB1 with the Q41. That piece isn't for everyone (there are aspects of it that I really don't care for myself) but it works so well in a wind band setting doing what I need a euphonium to do in terms of blending. I recently bought a Giddings Kadja to see how that might work. That piece really made my old Yamaha 641 come to life, though it wasn't a stellar pairing with the Yamaha Neo I was issued for awhile. I've tried not to fiddle too much with mouthpieces as that's an expensive venture when you've never had a euro shank horn before, but my impression would be that it's pretty mouthpiece friendly.
    Andrew Easley
    Principal Euphonium, 35th Infantry Division Band of the Kansas Army National Guard

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    Quote Originally Posted by guidocorona View Post
    BTW, have you heard any scuttlebutt about timeline/features of the future Shires custom euphonium series?
    I recently had a meeting with some reps from Eastman to plan a tuba/euph day at my shop in Jan/Feb of 2022 and was told that the custom series would likely be ready by then.
    Sean

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    Hi Andrew, I agree with you that marginal threading is not a deal breaker on a euphonium where everything else checks fine.... Just a bit annoying.... And I am sure that Shires will get their factory in mainland China to address the issue.

    Hey Sean, delighted to hear that things might be moving on the Custom Series front, and that production perhaps might have started by February 2022.

    Regards, Guido
    Euph - Wessex EP104 Festivo - SM4U, 4AL
    Flugel - Kanstul 1525
    Trpt - Adams A4 LB
    Bb Cornet -Carolbrass CCR-7772R-GSS
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