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  1. King 2280 vs. Bach B1110

    Are the King 2280 and Bach B1110 indentical instruments? I have read that the Bach model is a clone of the King 2280. Is that right? Does the Bach have the 3rd Valve Slide trigger like the King?

    If they are made identically, which would you say is the best instrument of the two?

    I know the Bach B1110 has been discontinued. Is King still producing the Model 2280? I don't see it on their website.


  2. King 2280 vs. Bach B1110

    I have read that the earlier models of the Bach 1110 were clones of the Yamaha 321, and some later models were clones of the King 2280. However, I have no personal experience with Bach euphoniums, and I was unable to find any listings for euphoniums on their current website. I am sure there are others on this site who can shed more light on that subject.

    King does still make the 2280, but they do make it difficult to find on their website. Try the link below:

    http://www.kingwinds.com/conte...cts.php?sub=Euphonium

    Conn used to produce the 19I, which was identical to the King 2280 with the exception that the third valve slide was optional as opposed to standard equipment on the King.

    King 2280

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    King 2280 vs. Bach B1110

    The Bach 1110 is a Yamaha 321.

    The "Holton" in my avatar is also a Yamaha 321.
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  4. King 2280 vs. Bach B1110

    Does the Yamaha have a 3rd valve trigger?




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    King 2280 vs. Bach B1110

    Originally posted by: SaintsFan Does the Yamaha have a 3rd valve trigger?
    Nope.

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    King 2280 vs. Bach B1110

    No, it doesn't, but it doesn't particularly need it in my experience.
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    King 2280 vs. Bach B1110

    If you're thinking about getting a 4 valve horn like the King 2280 or Yamaha 321, be aware that it's possible to use your left hand to operate the fourth valve instead of depending on your weak right hand pinky. Here's a video that demonstrates that use:

    Using the 4th valve
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  8. King 2280 vs. Bach B1110

    Left hand to the 4th valve? Prior to acquiring a 3+1 horn, I always played the 321 that way, right from the first time I picked it up! Can't imagine doing it any other way.

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    King 2280 vs. Bach B1110

    I spend about 75% of time on my 5050 these days (3+1) and 25% of the time on my 321 (4 inline).

    Even in the days before I had a 3+1, the thought never struck me to play the 4th valve on the 321 with my left hand.

    I'd find it highly unergonomic and I'd be worried that the 4th valve would stick (if horn bought second hand) or would seat incorrectly due to the odd angle of the LH stroke (if purchased new).

    Is the pinky weaker than the other fingers? I suppose so. Is it so weak that it's unusable? Nope. Do pianists use their RH pinky? Reed Players? String players? Yep. Is using the LH to finger the fourth valve unergonomic? It was to me. If one uses the LH for the 4th valve, will one ever develop any strength or dexterity in the pinky? Nope. Does one risk damage to the 4th valve by fingering it with the LH? Could be?

    Just my left-handed 2 euros worth.

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  10. King 2280 vs. Bach B1110

    CONFUSED!

    I have read somewhere (will have to find it again) that the Bach 1110 was a clone of the King 2280 and, as I understand both have the 3rd valve trigger.

    If the Bach 1110 is a clone of the Yamaha, as Snorlax has pointed out, where is the 3rd valve. Doesn't sound like the same instrument to me.

    Hope y'all can shed some light on this for me.

    Thanks, Eric






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