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  • jkircoff
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2013
    • 213

    #16
    I've been playing a Denis Wick 4BS on my British baritone for nearly a year. I like it but sometimes it sounds a bit too much like a euphonium....plus 1st baritone has a lot of higher playing so my chops get tired towards the end of long pieces. Perhaps I should look at a 5 or 6 sized mouthpiece.
    James Kircoff
    Genesee Wind Symphony - principal euphonium (Adams E3 Custom .60mm yellow brass bell w/ K&G 3.5)
    Capital City Brass Band (2019 NABBA 2nd section champions) - 1st baritone (Besson BE956 w/ Denis Wick 6BY)

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    • iiipopes
      Senior Member
      • Feb 2016
      • 347

      #17
      I play this mouthpiece, the SM6U. I have two of them: one small shank for my Wessex BR115 (front-action American style instrument) and my B&H 3-valve comp Euph with a medium shank. I really, really like them. I have discontinued using other mouthpieces.

      The SM6U is essentially a 6 1/2 AL with a deeper cup. This helps me keep the lower register smooth, and with proper breath support helps the upper register slot better since I can get more air through the mouthpiece.

      I believe this mouthpiece, especially for a younger player with a smaller embouchure, or an old guy like me who just doesn't want to play anything larger in diameter, is woefully underappreciated. The underappreciation is shown by every other post in this thread is trying to get you to play a different mouthpiece.

      Of course, as with anything else, YMMV.
      Last edited by iiipopes; 01-13-2019, 05:46 PM.

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      • ametropia
        Member
        • Dec 2018
        • 55

        #18
        Originally posted by Barking Iron View Post
        I am using a Stork T1, which I absolutely love. Deep enough for a round sound, shallow enough to prevent intonation issues in the high register, a backbore that you can 'lean into', comfortable rim, well made, not too expensive...

        I pulled the trigger on a Stork T1, it was a combination of the price being a bit lower than some of the alternatives and that backbore which everyone I've read reviews from agrees that you can really lean into it which I think I'm going to like a lot.

        So thank you for the recommendation Bram, we'll see how iot goes! If it doesn't work out, I guess I will be selling it over in the for-sale section, lol. Luckily I have access to some great international shipping tools via my day job
        "Thig crioch air an saoghal, ach mairidh gaol is ceòl."
        "The end (of the world) will come, but love and music live forever."

        Euph: Geneva Symphony (4v-comp, trig)
        Euph: Besson New Standard (3v-comp 1978)
        Bari: Wessex BR-140 (3v-comp, lacquer)
        Mpcs: Euph (SM4) Bari (Stork T1)

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        • Barking Iron
          Junior Member
          • May 2018
          • 20

          #19
          Rim size is comparabe, but the SM6 is a lot deeper with a bigger backbore.

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          • ametropia
            Member
            • Dec 2018
            • 55

            #20
            I just received my Stork T1 today and I can honestly say this is the most perfect mouthpiece for me, I'm very excited and I'm glad I took a chance on it!
            Last edited by ametropia; 02-08-2019, 07:00 PM.
            "Thig crioch air an saoghal, ach mairidh gaol is ceòl."
            "The end (of the world) will come, but love and music live forever."

            Euph: Geneva Symphony (4v-comp, trig)
            Euph: Besson New Standard (3v-comp 1978)
            Bari: Wessex BR-140 (3v-comp, lacquer)
            Mpcs: Euph (SM4) Bari (Stork T1)

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            • Barking Iron
              Junior Member
              • May 2018
              • 20

              #21
              Originally posted by ametropia View Post
              I just received my Stork T1 today and I can honestly say this is the most perfect mouthpiece for me, I'm very excited and I'm glad I took a chance on it!
              Nice to hear. Please let us know here how it works for you after some more playing time.

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              • franz
                Senior Member
                • Dec 2015
                • 392

                #22
                I enter into this discussion to give a personal opinion different from those who have written here.
                I mainly play the euphonium, the baritone I use it mainly for marching services. When I purchased it, a few years ago, it came with a DW 6BS mouthpiece. I tried it for a while but I understood that it would not work for me: the tone I get is good, but it's top small, I can not make my chops vibrate properly, especially in the low register, and its narrow border limits the my stamina, so I bought the K&G 4B, the biggest measure they have for baritone. This mouthpiece has a shallow cup which gives a sound top light that I do not like at all, moreover I still feel too small, so I bought a piece for trombone, the K&G 3C (I wanted a D cup, deeper than C, but it is not produced with little shank). This mouthpiece met my needs for support and size, but it still did not give me the sound I wanted to achieve with baritone, so I decided to personally modify the profile and depth of the cup. The operation has an extraordinary result, much better than I could imagine: I got the perfect mouthpiece ( for me) for the baritone which I also tried, with an adapter, even on the euphonium with satisfactory results. This new prototype, compared to DW 6BS, has a wider cup( 26,4 mm vs 25,4 mm), a border wider than 1 mm, a large throat (7,2 mm vs 6,6 mm), while the depth is almost the same. I enclose a photo: upper the DW, down the K&G.

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                Last edited by franz; 02-10-2019, 10:41 AM.
                2007 Besson Prestige 2052, 3D+ K&G mouthpiece; JP373 baritone, 4B modified K&G mouthpiece; Bach 42GO trombone, T4C K&G mouthpiece; 1973 Besson New Standard 3 compensated valves, 3D+ K&G modified mouthpiece; Wessex French C tuba, 3D+ K&G modified mouthpiece.

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                • John the Theologian
                  Senior Member
                  • Apr 2013
                  • 245

                  #23
                  Is the Stork T1 that some have recommecded the heavy or light weght? Is it the standard or symphonic backbore? With those options there are really 4 different Stork T1s.

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                  • ametropia
                    Member
                    • Dec 2018
                    • 55

                    #24
                    The one I chose is a heavy weight and it is a standard not a symphonic.
                    "Thig crioch air an saoghal, ach mairidh gaol is ceòl."
                    "The end (of the world) will come, but love and music live forever."

                    Euph: Geneva Symphony (4v-comp, trig)
                    Euph: Besson New Standard (3v-comp 1978)
                    Bari: Wessex BR-140 (3v-comp, lacquer)
                    Mpcs: Euph (SM4) Bari (Stork T1)

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                    • Barking Iron
                      Junior Member
                      • May 2018
                      • 20

                      #25
                      Originally posted by ametropia View Post
                      The one I chose is a heavy weight and it is a standard not a symphonic.
                      Exactly the same for me

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