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    Where to go from here?

    Hey y'all! So, I've been playing a Wilson 2900 for a about 4/5 years now, and I'm slowly realizing that its not the horn for me. Is this too fast to realize this? I do also feel like I play on somewhat unorthodox equipment, maybe that is adding to it? I'm not quite sure. Nonetheless, I'm slowly falling out of love with it. I've been looking at options like a Yamaha 842, Besson 2051, or an Adams E1 as a replacement, but they are a bit pricey.

    My question is- Am I crazy? Is it a sound idea for me to call it quits on this horn now? Would a 2900 be a straight trade to another one of the mentioned horns (I have all the paperwork and the original hard case)? Are there brands I haven't tried yet? Maybe a different mouthpiece?

    Amaan
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    Definitely not too fast. Iím guessing the 2900 lacks something you want in a euphonium. I canít talk specifically to value but used versions of all 3 should be in a similar ballpark. Make sure you audition each horn to see if itís what you want if at all possible.

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    That's quite a big mouthpiece for a 2900 player, IMHO. (SM3MU)

    Certainly wouldn't hurt to try different mouthpieces (maybe try a standard 51D for a couple of weeks and see what that feels like).

    Are you able to articulate some of the things that you are not liking about playing the horn?

    (also, I see you are a music performance major...any input from your professor(s)??)
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    Quote Originally Posted by iMav View Post
    That's quite a big mouthpiece for a 2900 player, IMHO. (SM3MU)

    Certainly wouldn't hurt to try different mouthpieces (maybe try a standard 51D for a couple of weeks and see what that feels like).
    I used to play on a BB1 for about 3 years, and it was a really sharp rim, and it was a little too small. I feel like I went a *bit* overboard, and I think a SM4MU would have been a bit closer to what I was looking for. I know Griego makes the BB1 but I dont know how different that is from the DEG ones.

    Quote Originally Posted by iMav View Post
    Are you able to articulate some of the things that you are not liking about playing the horn?

    (also, I see you are a music performance major...any input from your professor(s)??)
    A lot of it is the Medium bore. It felt great coming off the school equipment i was using at the time (Yamaha Neo/SM4X) with a lot of core, but after talking with my professors we all agreed I would see more results with a large bore horn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baridude View Post
    I used to play on a BB1 for about 3 years, and it was a really sharp rim, and it was a little too small. I feel like I went a *bit* overboard, and I think a SM4MU would have been a bit closer to what I was looking for. I know Griego makes the BB1 but I dont know how different that is from the DEG ones.
    I'd be curious to know how you'd get along with the SMU4XR ( https://www.euphoniumstore.net/mouth...xr-gold-plated ).

    Quote Originally Posted by Baridude View Post
    A lot of it is the Medium bore. It felt great coming off the school equipment i was using at the time (Yamaha Neo/SM4X) with a lot of core, but after talking with my professors we all agreed I would see more results with a large bore horn.
    While the 2900 has a medium-sized mouthpiece receiver (shank), The horn itself is not necessarily a smaller bore than many of the other pro horns.

    - Willson 2900 - .591"/.670"
    - Adams E3 - .590"/.629"
    - Besson Prestige (2052) - .580"/.650"
    - Sterling Virtuoso - .590"/.669"

    So, I'm skeptical if that is "it".
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    Maybe itís the thick, I think .8mm brass used by Willson. It makes for a tone with a lot of core but limited ability to alter your sound. I used to play one and for me it was limited in how wide a sound it could make. At the end I was using an SM4MU.

  7. That's quite a big mouthpiece for a 2900 player, IMHO. (SM3MU)
    I play in a section with someone using that exact combination. He's talked about mouthpieces and he felt that one really brought the most out of the 2900. I will say playing alongside him is a challenge due to the intonation quirks of the 2900. I ran a tuner with him playing a solo recently and was shocked at how bad the intonation was. Too bad. Nice sound.

    My dream horn is a Shires Q41. When I tested it, my tuner loved the intonation throughout the range.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard III View Post
    My dream horn is a Shires Q41. When I tested it, my tuner loved the intonation throughout the range.
    I've found the EEP826 to be very similar to the Q41 I had previously.

    Folks that tried the Q90 here say it reminded them quite a bit of the 2900. I assume it is probably very close to the Q41 and the EEP826. Seems to me Eastman has a bit of a euphonium log jam on their hands (at least with the Chinese-made horns). To me, it would make sense to let Shires focus on trombones and have the Q-series euphoniums overseen by Willson. Not sure what to think about how the 526 and 826 (and 822) fit in...I just know that I really like my 526 and 826!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard III View Post
    I play in a section with someone using that exact combination. He's talked about mouthpieces and he felt that one really brought the most out of the 2900. I will say playing alongside him is a challenge due to the intonation quirks of the 2900. I ran a tuner with him playing a solo recently and was shocked at how bad the intonation was. Too bad. Nice sound.
    Yeah I have to wage small battles to play the horn in tune, like pulling way up to combat the A and Ab, but it feels nice to really try to mold the sound to what I want, however limited. I didn't expect someone else to run the same setup though, that's pretty cool!
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by iMav View Post
    While the 2900 has a medium-sized mouthpiece receiver (shank), The horn itself is not necessarily a smaller bore than many of the other pro horns.

    - Willson 2900 - .591"/.670"
    - Adams E3 - .590"/.629"
    - Besson Prestige (2052) - .580"/.650"
    - Sterling Virtuoso - .590"/.669"

    So, I'm skeptical if that is "it".
    Well, I was too haha. I thought I was crazy and I really enjoy how Medium bore responds, but I feel like I just cant "push" the sound as much as I want.
    Kennesaw State - Music Performance

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    Wilson 2900/Wick SM3MU
    MW 2250/ Icon 18 (School Horn)
    MW 5450/PT 50 (School horn)

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