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  • iMav
    Senior Member
    • May 2011
    • 1322

    #16
    Originally posted by Shinn View Post
    Dennis’ (highpitch’s) custom trigger on his 1968 Besson New Standard 181 is described/pictured in the fourth post down on this linked thread~

    http://www.dwerden.com/forum/showthr...r#.ZFqI9WQpAWM
    is where the middle finger engages with the trigger not shown? The mechanics are difficult to discern from that picture (at least for me).

    Dennis, could you provide additional pictures and commentary on the trigger mechanism?
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    • Shinn
      Senior Member
      • Feb 2020
      • 277

      #17
      Originally posted by iMav View Post
      is where the middle finger engages with the trigger not shown? The mechanics are difficult to discern from that picture (at least for me).

      Dennis, could you provide additional pictures and commentary on the trigger mechanism?
      See blue arrow…Dennis designed it to engage with the middle finger of the left hand
      Attached Files
      David Shinn
      Peninsula Concert Band
      Yorktown, Virginia



      1971 Besson 181 ‘New Standard’ Euphonium (3+1 compensating) ~ Alliance DC3M
      1971 Besson 176 ‘New Standard’ Euphonium (3 compensating) ~ Alliance DC3M
      1979 Besson 755 'New Standard' Baritone (3 compensating) ~ Alliance DC5S
      1894 Besson ‘Doublophone’ Euphonium (3 + 1 changeover) & Original Leather Case


      Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/davidshinn....ibextid=LQQJ4d
      Peninsula Concert Band: https://www.peninsulaconcertband.org/

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      • iMav
        Senior Member
        • May 2011
        • 1322

        #18
        Originally posted by Shinn View Post
        See blue arrow…Dennis designed it to engage with the middle finger of the left hand
        Looking at the wider picture...that a LONG ways from where the first finger would be operating the 4th valve (which is what is confusing me).
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        Valley City Community Band
        Valley City State University Concert Band
        2024 North Dakota Intercollegiate Band (you're never too old!)


        Larry Herzog Jr.

        All things EUPHONIUM! Guilded server

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        • Shinn
          Senior Member
          • Feb 2020
          • 277

          #19
          Additional pictures of Dennis’ euphonium…

          http://www.dwerden.com/forum/showthr...800#post160800
          Attached Files
          Last edited by Shinn; 05-09-2023, 09:34 PM.
          David Shinn
          Peninsula Concert Band
          Yorktown, Virginia



          1971 Besson 181 ‘New Standard’ Euphonium (3+1 compensating) ~ Alliance DC3M
          1971 Besson 176 ‘New Standard’ Euphonium (3 compensating) ~ Alliance DC3M
          1979 Besson 755 'New Standard' Baritone (3 compensating) ~ Alliance DC5S
          1894 Besson ‘Doublophone’ Euphonium (3 + 1 changeover) & Original Leather Case


          Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/davidshinn....ibextid=LQQJ4d
          Peninsula Concert Band: https://www.peninsulaconcertband.org/

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          • iMav
            Senior Member
            • May 2011
            • 1322

            #20
            That makes much more sense seeing it from the complete horn view. That IS a great design!

            Seems folks had interest after all! (At least enough to know where to point me.) And now you can count me as another person who finds the design quite intriguing.
            Groups
            Valley City Community Band
            Valley City State University Concert Band
            2024 North Dakota Intercollegiate Band (you're never too old!)


            Larry Herzog Jr.

            All things EUPHONIUM! Guilded server

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            • highpitch
              Senior Member
              • Mar 2006
              • 1034

              #21
              Trigger details

              Yeah, I'm a euph geek gearhead with some mechanical knowledge.

              These detail views were taken during development to show how the linkage works. Pressing inward on the paddle lowers the tuning slide position, and when released it retracts via a hidden spring.

              Since the slide is modified to a coaxial tubing type (a slide in a slide in a slide), tuning is effected by rolling the central thumbwheel. No having to detach anything, and can be done on the fly. The thread pitch is such that it stays in place.

              I don't have a belly guard, and the only problem is it makes your shirt dirty rubbing on it. I'll get around to fixing that sometime.

              I have come to find myself using my social finger on the side valve, and digits 4&5 on the paddle.

              Much credit goes to Dan Oberloh in Seattle for taking my ideas and turning them into reality. He may be willing to use this design on other horns.
              Attached Files
              Last edited by highpitch; 05-10-2023, 12:09 PM.

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              • Shinn
                Senior Member
                • Feb 2020
                • 277

                #22
                Here are a couple pictures of another Besson 181 New Standard with a trigger…
                Attached Files
                David Shinn
                Peninsula Concert Band
                Yorktown, Virginia



                1971 Besson 181 ‘New Standard’ Euphonium (3+1 compensating) ~ Alliance DC3M
                1971 Besson 176 ‘New Standard’ Euphonium (3 compensating) ~ Alliance DC3M
                1979 Besson 755 'New Standard' Baritone (3 compensating) ~ Alliance DC5S
                1894 Besson ‘Doublophone’ Euphonium (3 + 1 changeover) & Original Leather Case


                Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/davidshinn....ibextid=LQQJ4d
                Peninsula Concert Band: https://www.peninsulaconcertband.org/

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                • highpitch
                  Senior Member
                  • Mar 2006
                  • 1034

                  #23
                  Nice job, but pretty much the same as everything else. My left thumb just can't grok that actuator style.

                  And since there is but one slide, tuning is still fiddly.

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