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  • 58mark
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2013
    • 481

    my 5 valve 2280 rebirth project

    i know this probably sounds like the most needless project in the world. I own 4 euphoniums, and haven't played my 2280 since I bought my packer 274 several years ago. And now, I own what I could make the bias argument that I own the best euphonium in the world, my just about one of a kind, short action, Sterling silver bell Adams E3.

    But my old king 2280 still has a soft spot in my heart. Fantastic intonation, Four quick, short, light valves all in the right hand, and it sits a little taller than a British style Euph, which is nice for someone my height (6 foot 8..). I liked it enough at one point to turn it into a full Chromatic instrument by adding a 5th valve to it.

    When I bought the horn it was a wreck, dented to hell with terrible lacquer. I got out the dents I could and gave it a satin finish with steel wool, and then sprayed nitro lacquer over it. It looked decent for a while, but the lacquer didn't hold up to every day use. In the back of my mind I thought I was going to find a silver body for it, transfer the 5th valve to that, and THAT would be my forever Euphonium.

    Then Rob at John Packer got me a great deal on the 274, and then I splurged on the Adams last year. The king sat and sat

    Then I found a silver 2280 body with parts missing on Ebay dirt cheap. the body was in great shape, with the exception of the parts that were missing. I bought it, polished it up, and started to take apart the ugly horn.

    The plan is to polish the brass parts from the old king and sent them off for bright plating, Re build the 5th valve tubing to make it even better, make a new 4th valve circuit because I never liked the factory design of the old one, build a proper valve return because I was never happy with the Carburetor spring I used on the first design, and put it all together for a rebirth.

    Will I ever play it? I'm not sure. It depends on how much I love it when I put it back together. The tuba player in me really likes the 4+1 config, so we'll see. I already have offers on the Adams if ever wanted to sell it, but I'm really enjoying that one too.

    photos of the project at the link below

    https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...2o?usp=sharing

    more to come!
    Last edited by 58mark; 04-18-2023, 08:57 PM.
  • euphdude
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2006
    • 586

    #2
    Very cool project Mark! Please keep us updated!

    BTW - is your 5th valve going to be in Gb like the new Adams sonic introduced at the Army conference?
    - Scott

    Euphoniums: Dillon 967, Monzani MZEP-1150S, Dillon 1067 (kid’s horn)
    Bass Trombones: Greenhoe GB5-3G, Getzen 1052FDR, JP232
    King Jiggs P-bone

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    • 58mark
      Senior Member
      • Feb 2013
      • 481

      #3
      Nope, I like the flat whole step all tubas use these days. I just think it makes more logical sense. Eb is 4-5, C is 2345, and B is 12345, and if your 2-4 combinations are sharp, 235 is a great option

      Tubas used to be available with a longer 5th, but it pretty much went extinct eventually.

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      • highpitch
        Senior Member
        • Mar 2006
        • 1034

        #4
        Good moves, Mark.

        I love getting horns to behave, i.e. my euph trigger system.

        My friend, a tuba player with the Phoenix Symphony is really into customizing his horn.

        It is butt-ugly, but plays like a dream throughout the range. I gave him a good heat gun, it could solder without direct flame effects.

        Dennis

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        • ann reid
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2019
          • 193

          #5
          I love your posts about this horn. They make PERFECT SENSE to me.

          If I had the skill, or access nearby to an imaginative repair/reconstruct person, I’d be doing what you’re doing, with my wonderful Willson.

          I can’t wait to get my Adams Sonic 5 valve. I’m hoping it will allow me to move forward with my playing. Already I can foresee advantages.

          Keep up the good work, and keep posting!

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          • 58mark
            Senior Member
            • Feb 2013
            • 481

            #6
            Before I got the Packer and the adams, I looked for a willson to try and perform this same procedure on. Never found one that I could try before I bought it.

            got the parts polished, hopefully sending them to Anderson's tomorrow or Friday

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            • hyperbolica
              Member
              • Feb 2018
              • 133

              #7
              I followed your old posts on your 2280, and they inspired me to get a 2280. That horn would be great with a 5th valve for an extra low range. I eventually sold it because I prefer the front action valves over top action. I'd really love to play your 2280 setup. I've been looking for a valved instrument that could be used in place of a bass trombone, again for ergonomic reasons. If you ever get rid of that 2280... put me on the list.

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              • 58mark
                Senior Member
                • Feb 2013
                • 481

                #8
                Originally posted by hyperbolica View Post
                I followed your old posts on your 2280, and they inspired me to get a 2280. That horn would be great with a 5th valve for an extra low range. I eventually sold it because I prefer the front action valves over top action. I'd really love to play your 2280 setup. I've been looking for a valved instrument that could be used in place of a bass trombone, again for ergonomic reasons. If you ever get rid of that 2280... put me on the list.
                Sure thing. I really like the way these play, but because I already have my adams, it's not likely to get much playing time. I jumped on the silver body because It was always in the back of my mind that I would transfer the 5th valve to a silver body someday, just because I never liked the look of the old scotch bright finish, and if I was playing it or selling it, I just wasn't happy with how it looked.

                The new one should be nice looking and a lot of fun to play.

                Sent the parts off to Anderson's yesterday, Hopefully they will back in 2 or 3 weeks

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                • Snorlax
                  Senior Member
                  • Mar 2007
                  • 1003

                  #9
                  Dennis, is your friend Dave Pack? I remember him from Indiana University
                  Jim Williams N9EJR (love 10 meter CW)
                  Formerly Principal Euphonium in a whole
                  bunch of groups, now just a schlub.
                  Shires Q41, Yamaha 321, 621 Baritone
                  Wick 4AL, Wessex 4Y, or whatever I grab.
                  Conn 50H trombone, Blue P-bone
                  www.soundcloud.com/jweuph

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                  • highpitch
                    Senior Member
                    • Mar 2006
                    • 1034

                    #10
                    Indeed he is. I took lessons from him a few years ago, a really great guy. All lungs, too.

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                    • 58mark
                      Senior Member
                      • Feb 2013
                      • 481

                      #11
                      THe parts on on their way back from andersons! should be able to start the rebuild in the next week!

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                      • 58mark
                        Senior Member
                        • Feb 2013
                        • 481

                        #12
                        I finished putting it together today. I'm sitting here kind of stunned because it's not good, it's great. It plays much better than my old one. It plays so good I'm thinking about selling my very special short action sterling bell Adams euphonium and playing this one full time. That seems like such a stupid idea, but as a tuba player I really like playing the five valve non-compensating instruments better. Intonation and tone is fabulous, I need to do a serious back and forth test in an auditorium for people whose ears I trust to tell me if I'm crazy or not. I'll post some pictures after I clean up some solder joints and polish some cloudy silver.

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                        • 58mark
                          Senior Member
                          • Feb 2013
                          • 481

                          #13
                          I can't believe I'm actually thinking of playing a King over an adams, but the money I sell the adams for could fund 2 projects I have been wanting to do. (One is classic car related and the other is music related) I also have the packer 274 still, and it deserves some love and respect. Oh yeah, I have a 3 valve compensating besson. Did I mention my main instrument is TUBA???

                          here's the pics. My work isn't perfect, but I made it work with the parts I had on hand.

                          The valve I used is a smaller bore than the tubing I used for it, so I had to get creative in adapting it up then back down.

                          I'm glad I rebuilt the 4th valve circuit. Never liked the way it was from the factory.

                          here's the pics
                          https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...2o?usp=sharing

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                          • highpitch
                            Senior Member
                            • Mar 2006
                            • 1034

                            #14
                            Another homebrew that actually improved upon the original design.

                            Kudos!

                            Dennis

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                            • 58mark
                              Senior Member
                              • Feb 2013
                              • 481

                              #15
                              Thanks. There are a few things I like specifically about this design

                              1. Compared to most compensating euphoniums, the valves are light, quick, and short. If course not as short as my short action Adams, but better than almost all

                              2. It sits taller than most horns, which is nice because I'm 6 foot 8

                              3. The low range blows very free because of the lack of the compensating system

                              4. And of course, my tuba Brain likes 4 valves in the right hand

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