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  • daruby
    Moderator
    • Apr 2006
    • 2217

    My new Backup Euphonium

    Ok, I pull back the curtain as it arrived today...

    Now that I have the wonderful/glorious Adams E3 with lots of bells and whistles as my primary (and until today only) euphonium. And also after updating my instrument insurance based on full replacement value (!!!) I decided a "backup" horn is in order. And here it is:

    A very nice 1976 Boosey & Hawkes Imperial that I purchased from John Sefton Powell from North Wales, UK. Being a 1976, this was a large shank horn from day 1. While there are some scratches inside the bell and the valves show some wear, it is a decent player and will be great for my outdoor holiday concerts and playing from the back of flatbed trucks in parades.

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    I will provide more feedback as I get used to the horn. I can say that the DC4 doesn't appear to be the best choice so I will use my 4AL tonite.

    Doug
    Last edited by daruby; 03-16-2023, 01:50 AM.
    Adams E3 0.60 Sterling bell - Prototype top sprung valves
    Concord Band
    Winchendon Winds
    Townsend Military Band
  • RickF
    Moderator
    • Jan 2006
    • 3871

    #2
    Congrats Doug! Looks a lot newer than ‘76 vintage. I love the frosted finish too.
    Rick Floyd
    Miraphone 5050 - Warburton BJ / RF mpc

    "Always play with a good tone, never louder than lovely, never softer than supported." - author unknown.
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    • iMav
      Senior Member
      • May 2011
      • 1322

      #3
      John sure sells a lot of gorgeous horns!

      Looks like you got a good one…
      Groups
      Valley City Community Band
      Valley City State University Concert Band
      2024 North Dakota Intercollegiate Band (you're never too old!)


      Larry Herzog Jr.

      All things EUPHONIUM! Guilded server

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      • davewerden
        Administrator
        • Nov 2005
        • 11138

        #4
        That's a fine instrument!
        Dave Werden (ASCAP)
        Euphonium Soloist, U.S. Coast Guard Band, retired
        Adams Artist (Adams E3)
        Alliance Mouthpiece DC3, Wick 4AL, Wick 4ABL
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        • John Morgan
          Moderator
          • Apr 2014
          • 1885

          #5
          That horn looks an awful lot like my own B&H Imperial from the mid 50's. Didn't change too much. Congratulations on a great looking horn!
          John Morgan
          The U.S. Army Band (Pershing's Own) 1971-1976
          Adams E3 Custom Series Euphonium, 1956 B&H Imperial Euphonium,
          1973 F. E. Olds & Son Studio Model T-31 Baritone
          Adams TB1 Tenor Trombone, Yamaha YBL-822G Bass Trombone
          Year Round Except Summer:
          Kingdom of the Sun (KOS) Concert Band, Ocala, FL (Euphonium)
          KOS Brass Quintet (Trombone, Euphonium)
          Summer Only:
          Rapid City Municipal Band, Rapid City, SD (Euphonium)
          Rapid City New Horizons Band (Euphonium)

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          • TheJH
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2014
            • 339

            #6
            That is a beauty alright!
            Euphoniums
            2008 Willson 2960TA Celebration
            1979 Boosey & Hawkes Sovereign (Round Stamp)
            Mouthpiece: Denis Wick SM4
            Baritone
            1975 Besson New Standard
            Mouthpiece: Courtois 10

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            • Shinn
              Senior Member
              • Feb 2020
              • 277

              #7
              Absolutely wonderful, Doug!!! Congratulations!
              David Shinn
              Peninsula Concert Band
              Yorktown, Virginia



              1971 Besson 181 ‘New Standard’ Euphonium (3+1 compensating) ~ Alliance DC3M
              1971 Besson 176 ‘New Standard’ Euphonium (3 compensating) ~ Alliance DC3M
              1979 Besson 755 'New Standard' Baritone (3 compensating) ~ Alliance DC5S
              1894 Besson ‘Doublophone’ Euphonium (3 + 1 changeover) & Original Leather Case


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              • euphdude
                Senior Member
                • Feb 2006
                • 586

                #8
                Looks amazing Doug! Well done sir!
                - Scott

                Euphoniums: Dillon 967, Monzani MZEP-1150S, Dillon 1067 (kid’s horn)
                Bass Trombones: Greenhoe GB5-3G, Getzen 1052FDR, JP232
                King Jiggs P-bone

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                • Eupher6
                  Senior Member
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 452

                  #9
                  Looks a lot like the matte-finish horn I had in the late 70s, but Doug's looks a ton nicer. Good for you!
                  U.S. Army, Retired (built mid-1950s)
                  Adams E2 Euph (built 2017)
                  Boosey & Co. Imperial Euph (built 1941)
                  Edwards B454 Bass Trombone (built 2012)
                  Boosey & Hawkes Imperial Eb tuba (built 1958)
                  Kanstul 33-T lBBb tuba (built 2010)

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                  • highpitch
                    Senior Member
                    • Mar 2006
                    • 1034

                    #10
                    Doug, again a man after my own heart with that horn.

                    After all the years, B&H/Besson euphs are still making great music.

                    Satin Silver rules!

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                    • daruby
                      Moderator
                      • Apr 2006
                      • 2217

                      #11
                      Update....

                      So after a few hours playing the 1976 Imperial both at home in practice and at rehearsal on Monday night, I have a few observations...

                      1. While my Adams E3 is easier to play and sounds perfect using the David Childs DC4 (smaller rim size), that mouthpiece does not work well on the Imperial. I found that the old reliable Wick 4AL is the way to go with the Imperial. Interesting to note that Besson/B&H started shipping 4AL's with the Sovereigns in 1974-ish and the large shank Imperials would have probably also shipped with that mouthpiece. Older medium shank Imperials (pre-1974?) would have shipped with a Besson 10 mouthpiece and an adapter that would support tenor shank mouthpieces like the 6 1/2 AL I used back in the day.
                      2. The pitch on the horn is MUCH better than any Sovereign I have ever played. The G in the staff works better with 3rd valve than 1-2. The 6th partial is sharp, but not quite as bad as an equivalent Sovereign. Using 1-3 for Eb and 1-2 for F as alternates brings the notes in pitch. I had no problems playing in tune with the band and my seat mate in Monday's rehearsal.
                      3. This horn is heavy! I didn't weigh it, but even with the 11" bell, it is heavier than the Adams E3. Built like a TANK! Despite 47+ years of use with minor wear to the satin finish and some scratches inside the bell flare, there are NO dents of note anywhere on the horn. It is also the original finish which has held up remarkably well.
                      4. The sound of the horn in a larger auditorium is focused and dense, but infinitely smooth and clear. A lovely sound, but clearly not as broad and "surrounding" as the E3.
                      5. Response at both ends of the range (high Bb and above/low B-natural and below) is not as good as the E3, but still not bad. I am still having to get used to the 4AL and the different characteristics, but it plays quite well.
                      6. Valves on this horn are worn, but still serviceable. I am not feeling noticeable leakage, but I can tell that the horn prefers Hetman (slightly thicker) to Blue Juice. John Sefton Powell did a good job updating the felts and using nylon replacement guides, but I also added ring felts to the top valve caps and a new set of piston felts. Valve action is very quiet and feels good.


                      Overall, I am really pleased with the horn. Shortly I will put the horn in bathtub and do a complete QHR/Spitball/Dawn dishsoap washout of the horn. Then a fine tune of the satin silver finish using baking soda and water with focus on the areas that still show a bit of tarnish. Then all of the slides and valves will get a final cleaning and lubrication, as part of the re-assembly.

                      I am pleased to say that so far, the horn meets my expectations and sounds and performs about as I would expect of a New Standard/Imperial.

                      Doug
                      Adams E3 0.60 Sterling bell - Prototype top sprung valves
                      Concord Band
                      Winchendon Winds
                      Townsend Military Band

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                      • anadmai
                        Senior Member
                        • Mar 2022
                        • 266

                        #12
                        Excellent review Mr. Doug!
                        DANA


                        Meet the Family
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                        Margaret - Baritone - 2015 - Sterling1050HS
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                        • davewerden
                          Administrator
                          • Nov 2005
                          • 11138

                          #13
                          Originally posted by daruby View Post
                          The pitch on the horn is MUCH better than any Sovereign I have ever played. The G in the staff works better with 3rd valve than 1-2. The 6th partial is sharp, but not quite as bad as an equivalent Sovereign. Using 1-3 for Eb and 1-2 for F as alternates brings the notes in pitch. I had no problems playing in tune with the band and my seat mate in Monday's rehearsal.
                          That has been my observation as well. When I got my NS with the large receiver, it was slightly harder to play in tune. And the Sovereign 967 even harder, so on that horn alternate fingerings on the 6th partial were a must.
                          Dave Werden (ASCAP)
                          Euphonium Soloist, U.S. Coast Guard Band, retired
                          Adams Artist (Adams E3)
                          Alliance Mouthpiece DC3, Wick 4AL, Wick 4ABL
                          YouTube: dwerden
                          Facebook: davewerden
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                          • John Morgan
                            Moderator
                            • Apr 2014
                            • 1885

                            #14
                            To see the similarity of your horn (a 76 model) with mine (a 56 model) here is the link with my review and pictures. They really look alike!

                            http://www.dwerden.com/forum/showthr...s#.ZBIuDRTMJD8
                            John Morgan
                            The U.S. Army Band (Pershing's Own) 1971-1976
                            Adams E3 Custom Series Euphonium, 1956 B&H Imperial Euphonium,
                            1973 F. E. Olds & Son Studio Model T-31 Baritone
                            Adams TB1 Tenor Trombone, Yamaha YBL-822G Bass Trombone
                            Year Round Except Summer:
                            Kingdom of the Sun (KOS) Concert Band, Ocala, FL (Euphonium)
                            KOS Brass Quintet (Trombone, Euphonium)
                            Summer Only:
                            Rapid City Municipal Band, Rapid City, SD (Euphonium)
                            Rapid City New Horizons Band (Euphonium)

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                            • John Morgan
                              Moderator
                              • Apr 2014
                              • 1885

                              #15
                              Originally posted by daruby View Post
                              ...Older medium shank Imperials (pre-1974?) would have shipped with a Besson 10 mouthpiece and an adapter that would support tenor shank mouthpieces like the 6 1/2 AL I used back in the day.
                              The 1956 Imperial shipped with a Kosikup mouthpiece which came with my horn when I bought it. Brian Bowman makes a copy of it with his BB2 mouthpiece.
                              John Morgan
                              The U.S. Army Band (Pershing's Own) 1971-1976
                              Adams E3 Custom Series Euphonium, 1956 B&H Imperial Euphonium,
                              1973 F. E. Olds & Son Studio Model T-31 Baritone
                              Adams TB1 Tenor Trombone, Yamaha YBL-822G Bass Trombone
                              Year Round Except Summer:
                              Kingdom of the Sun (KOS) Concert Band, Ocala, FL (Euphonium)
                              KOS Brass Quintet (Trombone, Euphonium)
                              Summer Only:
                              Rapid City Municipal Band, Rapid City, SD (Euphonium)
                              Rapid City New Horizons Band (Euphonium)

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