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Thread: Stencil horns? Which are Jinbao?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ivanhouston View Post
    I will second Radiant Brass. I purchased the JEP-160L from his store on ebay and it is a great horn. I noticed it has interesting valves that hardly ever need oiling in my experience.
    I’d love to see some close up pics of a Radiant Brass horn…bracing locations, valve block, caps, individual valves, water keys, etc. I’d post comparative ones for my Schiller, to see if there are any differences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iMav View Post
    I’d love to do a comparison between the Monzani and my Schiller horn.
    It's too bad we don't live closer to each other, or I would let you try mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by massmanute View Post
    It's too bad we don't live closer to each other, or I would let you try mine.
    I may get my hands on a Monzani horn soon. Stay tuned!
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  4. Here are some pics of mine:
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    Quote Originally Posted by davewerden View Post
    Adams uses the same valve block for the E1, E2, and E3, but they play differently.
    This comment came to mind when I was browsing the Adams website yesterday. Under the E2 description, it states this: "The Adams E2 euphonium is a real powerhouse. This wide built euphonium is made of heavier material, is equipped with a heavier valve block and a larger 310 mm bell with soldered rim."

    Does that mean Adams uses different valve blocks for the E2? Or that some additional weight is simply added somehow?
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    Quote Originally Posted by iMav View Post
    This comment came to mind when I was browsing the Adams website yesterday. Under the E2 description, it states this: "The Adams E2 euphonium is a real powerhouse. This wide built euphonium is made of heavier material, is equipped with a heavier valve block and a larger 310 mm bell with soldered rim."

    Does that mean Adams uses different valve blocks for the E2? Or that some additional weight is simply added somehow?
    That was lazy typing on my part. The exterior of the E2 block is heavier, and I'm not sure if they add on weight or use heaver metal as it is formed. However, what I was thinking of is A) the quality of the block, and B) the interior dimensions, which have an effect on the horn's performance.
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    So, technically, horns like the Holton B302R (rebranded Yamaha YEP-321) and Holton B490R (rebranded Weril H980) are "stencil horns". Made by one manufacturer, with another company's logo stenciled on (and resold by that company).

    (It's just that this practice is much more prevalent now days with chinese manufacturers.)
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    Correct. Back in the day, typical stencil horns would come from Czechoslovakia, and in even earlier times (pre-WW2) from Belgium since most instrument development took place over there (Adolphe Sax was Belgian after all)

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    Again on trumpet, I was surprised to sometimes find selmer trumpets from c. 1970s or so that are stencils. It goes both ways: major companies sometimes make stencils for niche companies and niche manufacturers sometimes make instruments outsourced by major manufacturers. I think it's been going along all the way back. Chinese copy Japanese models which copied US models which copied French models....
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    It might have been discussed before, but Eastman instruments are certainly not Jinbao, as the company (Eastman) owns its own factories.
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