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  • Snake Charmer
    Member
    • Sep 2020
    • 53

    Question to the long-time Wessex owners

    For all of you playing any Wessex horn for a bit longer:
    In 2015 I bought my Bb ophicleide in raw brass, in 2018 the french c tuba in silver plated. I played them both for a lot of hours and they saw some gigs before C...d. They had both minor tweaks which I could sort out myself in the first days, of the sort I didn't bother for this price.
    Last December when preparing my Christmas french tuba quartet for the video I found the some notes a bit strange. On the recording day it felt so bad, especially the lower Dbs (on 46 and 56) that I rinsed the horn and found open soldering joints on the bow of valve 4 and 6 and a pinhole in bow 5.
    For the recording duck tape was the rescue (meanwhile my repair guy did a good job!).
    In January I looked at the ophicleide while the sun shone on her through the window... and saw the soldering of one of the big braces coming apart.
    And some weeks ago I bought a 2015 Wessex Saxhorn (copy of the Courtois 366, they had it until 2016) from a former student. When I tried it it sounded like a leaky water key. When I cleaned and rinsed it some days later the complete leadpipe/tuning slide assembly fell of, all solderings had disintegrated.
    Do you have some similar experiences or do I have some black magic in my studio? All other horns are OK, the longest owned is my Courtois trombone (for 39 years) without soldering problems.
  • iMav
    Senior Member
    • May 2011
    • 1322

    #2
    Oof! You may have just gotten me to swear off Wessex horns!
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    • hyperbolica
      Member
      • Feb 2018
      • 133

      #3
      Yeah, I got a Festivo, (my 6th wessex - Dolce, Bombino Eb tuba, Urbie trombone, prototype trombone, super tenor trombone), and immediately I knew there was a problem with any compensated combination with the 2nd valve, but I couldn't pin it down. Eventually I found a leak on the short tube in the compensating system between 1st and 2nd valve that wasn't soldered properly and leaked substantially. Local shop fixed it, and Wessex paid for it. They did the right thing, but it took a lot of effort on my part.

      All my other wessex horns have been good, except that the urbie trombone was missing a collar around the open end of the hand slide. I had bought that horn used, so they wanted me to pay $25 for this tiny trim ring that was left off the horn from the factory. The super tenor was marginal, but it had been treated roughly by a student before I got it.

      I have to say they have been pretty nice horns for the price. I bought 4 new and 2 used.

      I'm currently looking for a used Bubbie 5 if anyone is tired of theirs...

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      • MarChant
        Senior Member
        • Feb 2016
        • 191

        #4
        I do own a 2017 Festivo, but I haven't played it for a while, since Covid. Lately, many of these negative stories about Wessex quality come up on the internet, but I wonder if they are mostly for older built instruments or also for the more recent ones? As I understood, Wessex prides itself for having very good and thorough quality checks.
        Recenlty I was looking to buy a new budget French Horn and the Wessex was one of my options, but I could find only one positive review and many negative...I ended up buying a John Packer from my local repair shop; seemed the safer option to me in case of trouble.
        Martin Monné

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        • hyperbolica
          Member
          • Feb 2018
          • 133

          #5
          To me, that's the biggest problem with Wessex - no local warrantee shop, unless you consider Chicago local. If you have to send something back, that's an expense. At least JP has local(ish) shops. Generally you're better off buying something used, but Wessex does tend to make some of those odd things you can't buy new or used anywhere, like Bubbie and the Festivo.

          My festivo was purchased in 2019, and I think got shipped directly to us from uk because they didn't have stock here.

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          • ghmerrill
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2011
            • 2382

            #6
            I did have a couple of loose solder joints on my Wessex Champion within the first year of use. I think this is pretty much a "feature" of a lot of Chinese manufacturing and "quality control." I also had an issue with the threading of a valve/valve-cap. Again, I see these as broad Chinese fabrication and Chinese quality control issues. I fixed all the issues myself (resoldering joints, etc.). I've seen comparable quality issues (such as quality of brass and valve/cap threading on other non-Wessex Chinese horns I have. Recently, I've bought some mid-level (in terms of quality/cost) Chinese optics, and the quality there seems to be very good. There's an evolutionary process going on here -- similar, I think, to that of Japanese quality after WWII.

            I have been told -- by a very well known and competent tuba tech and rebuilder -- that such issues are not confined to Chinese instruments but are a consequence of machine-soldering techniques being broadly used today in brass instrument construction. For "unusual" instruments (i.e., relatively low sales volume), I wouldn't be surprised if the incidence of such problems is higher.
            Gary Merrill
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            • highpitch
              Senior Member
              • Mar 2006
              • 1034

              #7
              My little Maly has excellent build quality, no problems.

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              • LittleJimmy
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2013
                • 160

                #8
                Hello Highpitch

                I also have a Maly silver, which I bought just at the beginning of the pandemic. I've played it just an hour, it's like new and, since I'm not playing it, would like to sell it. Any ideas?

                LittleJimmy

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                • iMav
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2011
                  • 1322

                  #9
                  Originally posted by LittleJimmy View Post
                  I also have a Maly silver, which I bought just at the beginning of the pandemic. I've played it just an hour, it's like new and, since I'm not playing it, would like to sell it. Any ideas?
                  There is a for sale forum here, no?
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                  • LittleJimmy
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2013
                    • 160

                    #10
                    There is. I've tried it before with no luck, so I thought I was asking for advice, not trying to sell it.

                    LittleJimmy

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                    • davewerden
                      Administrator
                      • Nov 2005
                      • 11137

                      #11
                      Originally posted by LittleJimmy View Post
                      ...so I thought I was asking for advice, not trying to sell it.

                      LittleJimmy
                      That's how I took it. Unfortunately, I don't have much to base an opinion on! They are cool for at one use, and possible others, but I assume you want to get a sense of a good asking price. No clue! Others might have a better idea on that.
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                      • iMav
                        Senior Member
                        • May 2011
                        • 1322

                        #12
                        Originally posted by LittleJimmy View Post
                        There is. I've tried it before with no luck, so I thought I was asking for advice, not trying to sell it.
                        Have you tried Facebook marketplace and/or Craigslist? Local music store consignment?
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                        • LittleJimmy
                          Senior Member
                          • Jan 2013
                          • 160

                          #13
                          Thanks iMav. I've not yet tried Facebook marketplace but a friend suggested I should try it. I'll probably take it to a music store for consignment if Facebook doesn't work.

                          LittleJimmy

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                          • Sara Hood
                            Senior Member
                            • Mar 2017
                            • 309

                            #14
                            Remind us....

                            Little Jimmy, Would you repost the link to your Maly? Please and thank you (smile). - Sara
                            Last edited by Sara Hood; 10-10-2022, 12:56 PM.
                            Baritone - 3 Valve, Compensating, JinBao JBBR1240

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                            • LittleJimmy
                              Senior Member
                              • Jan 2013
                              • 160

                              #15
                              Sara

                              Did you get my reply? I'm asking $1000 plus shipping.

                              Little Jimmy

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