Solve playing sharp on Besson Prestige 2052

[rgorscak]

Until one with AI comes along, I can tell I will be happy!

[rgorscak]

I tried to see what a used Besson Prestige 2052 would sell for if I decide to sell mine. Has anyone ever seen one for sale?

[Magikarp]

I received my new Adams E3 a few days ago and finally was able to get it out yesterday. Someone suggested I give a progress report on how it solves my intonation problem compared to the Besson Prestige 2052 I have.

1) The horn definitely felt lighter (weight)
2) The sound to me was "brighter" and it seemed to respond quicker than by Besson. There is definitely a different sound, and I can see that both have their place. It would depend on my mood, I guess. The Besson seems mellow (or darker?)
3) It took a while to center in on higher notes because it just felt different. I guess I would lip down the Besson to try to play in tune and my mind wanted to do the same on the Adams (hence miss notes). But I got used to it after a little while.
4) Dave's intonation chart was right on for me. The high notes were in tune and the notes that show flat on the intonation chart were flat for me by the same amount.,

This horn does not have a trigger on the tuning slide, so for the notes that are sharp, I will have to learn to lip down.

I am just an amateur, but so far, I think I will like the Adams better than my Prestige. Like Dave and others, I will have to decide if I want to get rid of all my extra horns. I am up to 13 now, from trumpets to a tuba. Don't want to irritate the wife too much!!!!

Having played for my whole career on Besson / Boosey until May this year. I have some observations about changing to an Adams. Firstly middle A (treble clef) is very sharp on 1/2. The E above that seems flat, but 1/2 cures it. That aside there’s is little to comment on, unlike the Bessons which had flat top C, appallingly flat top B natural, sharp top G, F, flat middle B, sharp middle A etc etc. I compensated over the years and never used a trigger, and am still unlearning the habit. I sit next to a very decent second euph on her brand new Prestige and her intonation by comparison is wayward to say the least. Or the Adams is no longer concealing the fact. It will gel, but is going to take time. We swapped hooters recently and the number of notes I was deploying full trigger on when using her 2052 was frankly alarming. Fundamentals seemed broadly in tune but valved notes were incredibly vague.

[franz]

Well, what I can say based on my experience of more than half a century as an amateur brass player is that there is no such thing as the perfect intonation instrument. Even the equal temperament, on which modern musical compositions are based, is the result of compromises to make the performance in all keys acceptable. I play on a 2007 Besson Prestige 2052 and I have no problem playing in tune: I use the trigger on some notes (partial sixth, F in the staff and F below the staff). Each instrument has its strengths and weaknesses, in choosing the intonation is only one of the factors to be taken into consideration; personally in the first place I put the tone and the answer: if the sound does not satisfy me, everything else does not count. I had the opportunity to try some Adams, Yamaha, Willson and Miraphone, all excellent instruments, but there was none that turned me on the light to make me take the big step of changing my Prestige or, at least that justified an expense. of € 7-10,000 for a new euphonium. Surely each of them had a few more points in their favor than the Prestige, but overall, to my ears, the Besson had the best tone and absolutely fantastic mechanics (valves and triggers) and is built like a tank, considerably more. heavy than any other euphonium. Perhaps what, in my guesswork, could be a winner is the Adams E2, which one day I would like to try: if on that occasion the light comes on I could, then, consider, wife permitting, the big step.

[rgorscak]

I do agree that my Besson has a better sound (and is a lot heavier). Since I only started playing again a few years ago, I have to go with the one that gives me the least issues which is the Adam. I could play my Conn Constellation 24i which presents me with no intonation problems

[anadmai]

and i was hoping i could be the comic on this forum

Oh no. There’s a wait line for that. So I’ve been told.