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    Besson Prestige 2052-2 Euphonium

    Hello everyone,

    In October 2020, I purchased a brand new silver plated Besson Prestige 2052-2 Euphonium which was customised with an adapted leadpipe which has become popular on the gold lacquer Besson Prestige 2052-2 Euphonium. I was curious if anyone else had recently bought a new silver plated Besson Prestige 2052-2 Euphonium whichhad the same adaption to the leadpipe?

    Thank you so much for all your help and support.

    Best Wishes,

    Micah Dominic Parsons
    Best Wishes,

    Micah Dominic Parsons

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDP.Micah.Dominic.Parsons View Post
    Hello everyone,

    In October 2020, I purchased a brand new silver plated Besson Prestige 2052-2 Euphonium which was customised with an adapted leadpipe which has become popular on the gold lacquer Besson Prestige 2052-2 Euphonium. I was curious if anyone else had recently bought a new silver plated Besson Prestige 2052-2 Euphonium whichhad the same adaption to the leadpipe?

    Thank you so much for all your help and support.

    Best Wishes,

    Micah Dominic Parsons
    When I spoke to the USA Besson distributor, they mentioned that getting a silver 2051 or 2052 with the floating leadpipe would be a special order, and would take some time. I assume that would stand in the way of some people doing this.

    I do know of at least 1 person who now has a 2051 in silver plate with the floating leadpipe, although she does not post here.

    Mike
    Mike Taylor

    Illinois Brass Band

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    Hello Mike,

    Thank you so much for this information! It is really interesting to see how this small adaption to the leadpipe on the gold lacquer Besson Prestige 2052-2 Euphonium has become a popular addition on the normal silver plated Besson Prestige 2052-2 Euphonium!

    Thank you so much for all your help and support.

    Best Wishes,

    Micah Dominic Parsons
    Best Wishes,

    Micah Dominic Parsons

    Website - https://mdpmicahdominicpar.wixsite.com/my-site
    Blog - https://theblogofabrassmusician1994.blogspot.com/

    Facebook Account - https://www.facebook.com/Micah-Domin...05492345484536
    Twitter Account - @MicahDParsons94
    Instagram Account - @MDP.Micah.Dominic.Parsons
    Youtube Account - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRj...KljG3JLcuMs60A

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    I find it interesting how the floating leadpipe makes such a big difference.

    I didn't like the prestige until I played one with the floating leadpipe.

    That said, 5th and 6th partial intonation is TERRIBLE on these horns. The 5th partial being high is pretty surprising, and the 6th partial is SO high. I manage it with the trigger, but it's pretty shocking.

    Quote Originally Posted by MDP.Micah.Dominic.Parsons View Post
    Hello Mike,

    Thank you so much for this information! It is really interesting to see how this small adaption to the leadpipe on the gold lacquer Besson Prestige 2052-2 Euphonium has become a popular addition on the normal silver plated Besson Prestige 2052-2 Euphonium!

    Thank you so much for all your help and support.

    Best Wishes,

    Micah Dominic Parsons
    Mike Taylor

    Illinois Brass Band

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    I had not noticed some things until Mike's comment above. First, in my testing anyway, the concert C in the 5th partial is well in tune, but the C# and D are sharp. Second, and a greater surprise, the horns are remarkably consistent in this regard! Check out this graph of 3 Bessons, 967, 2051, and 2052-2, make over a period of 35-ish years, and including a British-made 967 (before the lottery years) and 2 German-made Prestige models made during the last 6 years.

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    Dave Werden (ASCAP)
    Euphonium Soloist, U.S. Coast Guard Band, retired
    Adams Artist (Adams E3)
    Alliance Mouthpiece (DC4)
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    This is interesting, Dave.

    I was speculating with a friend about this - I have to assume that besson has the R&D available to change this, and I'm sure they've researched some things.

    However, people buy a Besson because it sounds like a Besson - I wonder if changing the venturi on the leadpipe/receiver to make the partials more in tune changes the sound quality of the horn substantially.

    Mike

    Quote Originally Posted by davewerden View Post
    I had not noticed some things until Mike's comment above. First, in my testing anyway, the concert C in the 5th partial is well in tune, but the C# and D are sharp. Second, and a greater surprise, the horns are remarkably consistent in this regard! Check out this graph of 3 Bessons, 967, 2051, and 2052-2, make over a period of 35-ish years, and including a British-made 967 (before the lottery years) and 2 German-made Prestige models made during the last 6 years.

    Click image for larger version. 

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    Mike Taylor

    Illinois Brass Band

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    Quote Originally Posted by miketeachesclass View Post
    This is interesting, Dave.

    I was speculating with a friend about this - I have to assume that besson has the R&D available to change this, and I'm sure they've researched some things.

    However, people buy a Besson because it sounds like a Besson - I wonder if changing the venturi on the leadpipe/receiver to make the partials more in tune changes the sound quality of the horn substantially.

    Mike
    The same thought crossed mind! The one stumbling block for me is that the German Bessons don't sound like the British Bessons, the latter of which had an unbeatable sound IMO. But perhaps to come as close as they did, some carryover was necessary.

    FWIW, virtually every euphonium I have tested (compensating) have a flat high A concert. When I see that in horns so diverse in other ways, I ponder why they would have this in common.

    Mysteries!
    Dave Werden (ASCAP)
    Euphonium Soloist, U.S. Coast Guard Band, retired
    Adams Artist (Adams E3)
    Alliance Mouthpiece (DC4)
    YouTube: dwerden
    Facebook: davewerden
    Twitter: davewerden
    Instagram: davewerdeneuphonium

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    Quote Originally Posted by davewerden View Post
    The one stumbling block for me is that the German Bessons don't sound like the British Bessons, the latter of which had an unbeatable sound IMO. But perhaps to come as close as they did, some carryover was necessary.
    Iím finding this as well - I have a 2020 German prestige, and recently got a Globe stamp Sovereign from my birth year (1980), and the thing just sounds so so so sweet. Iím having a little work done on it and may end up playing that one more. Go figure.
    Mike Taylor

    Illinois Brass Band

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    Hello everyone,

    I have pretty much exclusively played on Besson Euphoniums and I have to admit they are a consistent and high quality product which is hard to beat although at the moment the other popular brand here in The United Kingdom is The Geneva GVL Cardinal Euphonium and The Geneva Oldroyd Cardinal Euphonium which seems to be a really popular option at the moment.

    It would be really interesting to see how The Besson Prestige 2052-2 Euphonium compared with The Geneva GVL Cardinal Euphonium!

    Best Wishes,

    Micah Dominic Parsons
    Best Wishes,

    Micah Dominic Parsons

    Website - https://mdpmicahdominicpar.wixsite.com/my-site
    Blog - https://theblogofabrassmusician1994.blogspot.com/

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    Twitter Account - @MicahDParsons94
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    Youtube Account - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRj...KljG3JLcuMs60A

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    I had a brief toot on a new German Prestige at band practice last week, for the first time in years. It felt small, either that or the Adams is just generally gigantic. It played ok I suppose, although clearly it wasn't enough for a properly conclusive assessment. I didn't think I could put the air through as efficiently as with mine but that might come with experience.

    Still don't like floating lead pipes but the valves were truly excellent and the operation of the trigger very good indeed - certainly better than the Adams, but seeing as I don't use the trigger on mine it might explain why it's not the easiest! Comparing apples with pears is never going to end well. I might see if I can do a thorough A-B and see what stands out.
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