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    New Intonation Charts

    I just came back from a conference and was able to do some new tuning runs. You will find new/updated info for:

    Adams E1
    Adams E2
    Adams E3
    Besson 2052-2
    Eastman 826

    They are all here:

    http://www.dwerden.com/Intonation/index.cfm
    Dave Werden (ASCAP)
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    For what it's worth, I'll put here the pitch graph of my 2007 Prestige, obtained in the same way as described by Dave. (mouthpiece K&G 3D +). As you can see, there are some high notes, especially the partial 6th, which can be easily adjusted with the trigger and practically no low notes (except for the central A of only 5 cents easily corrected with the lip). Compared to Dave's it's quite different.

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    Last edited by franz; 05-24-2022 at 04:17 AM.
    Besson Prestige 2052, 3D+ K&G mouthpiece; JP373 baritone,4B modified K&G mouthpiece; Bach 42GO trombone, T4C K&G mouthpiece; Besson New Standard 3 compensated valves 1974, 3D+ K&G modified mouthpiece; Wessex French C tuba 3D+ K&G modified mouthpiece.

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    Thanks for the 2052 comparison! Results will vary with the player and mouthpiece, of course. I should have mentioned that the room these horns were in was pretty cold, which could also affect things. My process includes warming up the horn and getting a little bit used to it before I start charting, but it could still have an effect. However, the graph from the 2051 has some similar characteristics, and that was made 8 years ago in a comfortable room.

    It's also possible that the 2007 production is different from today's. I noticed the Adams E1 is different from my former E1 (made in 2012). I'm starting now to note the year on that page as I get newer readings.
    Dave Werden (ASCAP)
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    Quote Originally Posted by davewerden View Post
    Thanks for the 2052 comparison! Results will vary with the player and mouthpiece, of course. I should have mentioned that the room these horns were in was pretty cold, which could also affect things. My process includes warming up the horn and getting a little bit used to it before I start charting, but it could still have an effect. However, the graph from the 2051 has some similar characteristics, and that was made 8 years ago in a comfortable room.

    It's also possible that the 2007 production is different from today's. I noticed the Adams E1 is different from my former E1 (made in 2012). I'm starting now to note the year on that page as I get newer readings.
    That 2052-2 chart is pretty consistent with what my horn does, with the exception of the concert G.
    Mike Taylor

    Illinois Brass Band

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    Quote Originally Posted by miketeachesclass View Post
    That 2052-2 chart is pretty consistent with what my horn does, with the exception of the concert G.
    FYI, according to my notes I used 3rd for the concert G.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davewerden View Post
    FYI, according to my notes I used 3rd for the concert G.
    Ah, that makes sense!
    Mike Taylor

    Illinois Brass Band

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    Quote Originally Posted by davewerden View Post
    FYI, according to my notes I used 3rd for the concert G.
    Idem.
    Besson Prestige 2052, 3D+ K&G mouthpiece; JP373 baritone,4B modified K&G mouthpiece; Bach 42GO trombone, T4C K&G mouthpiece; Besson New Standard 3 compensated valves 1974, 3D+ K&G modified mouthpiece; Wessex French C tuba 3D+ K&G modified mouthpiece.

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    This is the pitch graph of my 1974 Besson New Standard, obtained with pitch A = 442, main slide extracted of 13 mm and 1th slide of 10 mm. The notes E 5th staff and F above the staff have been obtained with 1-2-3 and 1-3 respectively, the dashed line indicates the pitch with the normal positions 2 and 0. ( Modified K&G T3D mouthpiece)

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    Besson Prestige 2052, 3D+ K&G mouthpiece; JP373 baritone,4B modified K&G mouthpiece; Bach 42GO trombone, T4C K&G mouthpiece; Besson New Standard 3 compensated valves 1974, 3D+ K&G modified mouthpiece; Wessex French C tuba 3D+ K&G modified mouthpiece.

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    franz,

    Thanks for the graph of your NS. I had one that was a couple years older than yours, and it tuned easily to A440. Was yours built in high pitch? Just curious.
    Dave Werden (ASCAP)
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    Quote Originally Posted by davewerden View Post
    franz,

    Thanks for the graph of your NS. I had one that was a couple years older than yours, and it tuned easily to A440. Was yours built in high pitch? Just curious.
    Frankly, I don't know. Now the air temperature is around 25 degrees celsius, I got the graph after a good half hour - 3/4 hour of warming up. I tune with A = 442 because it is the pitch with which we tune the band. The 13mm extraction of the main slide seems to me a fairly normal size, considering the fact that I used a modified K&G T3D mouthpiece (suitable for trombone) (wider cup and deep V profile) whose shank fits into the receiver for 35mm.
    Besson Prestige 2052, 3D+ K&G mouthpiece; JP373 baritone,4B modified K&G mouthpiece; Bach 42GO trombone, T4C K&G mouthpiece; Besson New Standard 3 compensated valves 1974, 3D+ K&G modified mouthpiece; Wessex French C tuba 3D+ K&G modified mouthpiece.

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