I was listening to this recording yesterday and it seems to me that the Bydlo solo was not being played on a euphonium - or if it was, perhaps the age of the recording affected the timbre. Is anyone familiar with this recording?
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Bydlo - Toscanini and NBC Symphony Orchestra
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Bydlo - Toscanini and NBC Symphony Orchestra
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I assume you mean this one:
I'm pretty sure that is not a tuba. It almost sounds like a trombone! But at the time this was made it is nearly certain that if someone played it on euphonium it would have been on a small, American-style euphonium. In addition, the treatment of note connections sounds like it is a trombonist who is not comfortable playing a valved instrument and is manipulating the slurs with his tongue.Dave Werden (ASCAP)
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Originally posted by davewerden View Post[snip]I'm pretty sure that is not a tuba. It almost sounds like a trombone! But at the time this was made it is nearly certain that if someone played it on euphonium it would have been on a small, American-style euphonium. In addition, the treatment of note connections sounds like it is a trombonist who is not comfortable playing a valved instrument and is manipulating the slurs with his tongue.Dean L. Surkin
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Originally posted by dsurkin View PostIt doesn't surprise me that the part is played by a trombonist. Doesn't Joseph Alessi play the Bydlo solo when the NY Philharmonic performs "Pictures?" The one time I saw the Philharmonic perform "Pictures," Alessi was on leave that day and they had a guest perform it on euphonium.
You may be thinking of Mahler 7, where Joe plays the tenor horn part. He’s played it on a Yamaha Neo English baritone in the past, but the last time I asked him about it he said he’ll probably use euphonium next time.
Colin Williams as Assoc. Principal trombone normally handles the valve work, although a few years ago Demondrae played Ein Heldenleiben when Colin wasn’t available.
Don
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Originally posted by djwpe View PostNo. Al Baer typically plays it on F tuba. Last time, The NY Times Critic made a snide remark which I thought was unwarranted, having been at that performance.
Don--
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One of the best I’ve heard was by Allessandro Fossi. I think on F tuba.
-- e̶d̶i̶t̶,̶ ̶h̶e̶ ̶p̶l̶a̶y̶e̶d̶ ̶a̶ ̶C̶ ̶t̶u̶b̶a̶--
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rx6Eo6liyCg
Last edited by RickF; 05-01-2022, 03:48 PM.Rick Floyd
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Originally posted by RickF View PostOne of the best I’ve heard was by Allassandro Fossi. I think on F tuba.
-- edit, he played a C tuba --
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rx6Eo6liyCg
I doubt that a professional player with both an F and a C tuba would play Bydlo on his C.
Also, and more importantly, the tuba he plays in the video looks like a B&S 3100. You can also see the bottom bow of his larger (probably CC) tuba next to him in some shots.
Last edited by MarChant; 04-26-2022, 02:54 PM.
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Thanks Martin. I thought he used his 'F' tuba but then read the scary story of him loosing his car keys and denting his 'C' tuba on the way to the gig. I just assumed he must have used his 'C', but you're right, he did say tubas... plural.
The story if anyone is interested:
https://www.alessandrofossi.net/2017...a-performance/Rick Floyd
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The Cowboys (John Williams, arr. James Curnow)
Festive Overture(Dmitri Shostakovich)
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