English Besson 2051 allegedly owned by Demondrae

[JakeGuilbo]

All,

Here is an e-bay listing for a Besson 2051 not owned by Demondrae Thurman but owned by Patrick Shulz and played in Sotto Voce as confirmed by Professor Thurman.
Besson 2051 Silver Euphonium- Made in England- mint condition | eBay


I'm not affiliated with the listing but thought someone should get a shot at it if they were looking for something similar.

[davewerden]

Thanks for posting this one. I "pinned" it so it will stay in the top group because I think it's very interesting!

I agree the price is high for a 2051, but for ME it IS significant that the horn was hand-picked at the factory by someone who knows their stuff. Bessons from England have been variable, and the best ones were/are excellent horns. The worst ones are worth avoiding. I guess the question for a potential buyer is, "How much is it worth to know you are getting an excellent 2051 vs. taking another horn for a cheaper price that may be less satisfactory?"

AND there is a make-offer button on this listing, so...

[John Morgan]

Oh my, I shouldn't have seen this!!

[davewerden]

John, John, John... Good thing there is no reality show called "Euphonium Hoarders"!

[JTJ]

Do we have any independent verification of this? That's a lot of money for a used horn whose provenance is claimed only by the seller.

[JakeGuilbo]

Update from Professor Thurman:
"Hi Jacob. I hope all is well. I know this horn well but I didn't play it. It was played by my colleague Patrick Schulz. It's a terrific instrument and would be in great shape."

[John Morgan]

The power of "sleep on it" plus revelations as to its lineage (not that Patrick Schulz is a slouch) have made me come back to my senses (what little I have). But the temptation is there...

[JakeGuilbo]

The person listing the item directly told me it was Demondrae's horn when I made a (fairly low) offer. That was wrong and I've informed him but I don't know if that will cause the price to change.

[Pat]

If buying the horn would imbue me with the Professor's talent, I'd be all in. Tragically that's not how it works...

[miketeachesclass]

I feel personally attacked by this comment!! LOL

I resemble this remark…

John, John, John... Good thing there is no reality show called "Euphonium Hoarders"!

[John Morgan]

Mike, I think Dave knows me pretty well. You suffer from the "hoarder" affliction, too??!! My illness extends to other instruments as well, sigh....

[highpitch]

I'd report this to eBay.

This guy is milking a falsehood.

DG

[miketeachesclass]

The ad says "previously played and hand selected by the Sotto Voce Tuba Quartet". If it was patrick's horn, that is true. I did reach out to Patrick via email - we'll see if I get a response.

I'd report this to eBay.

This guy is milking a falsehood.

DG

[miketeachesclass]

Mike, I think Dave knows me pretty well. You suffer from the "hoarder" affliction, too??!! My illness extends to other instruments as well, sigh....

I'll send you a photo of my studio - my guitar collection makes my horn collection look like a starter kit.

[miketeachesclass]

Unrelated to the ad itself, it's worth noting that this horn would have the "wider" 3rd valve slide spacing that makes accessing the 4th valve more difficult for some.