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Thread: English Besson 2051 allegedly owned by Demondrae

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    Question English Besson 2051 allegedly owned by Demondrae

    All,

    Here is an e-bay listing for a Besson 2051 not owned by Demondrae Thurman but owned by Patrick Shulz and played in Sotto Voce as confirmed by Professor Thurman.
    Besson 2051 Silver Euphonium- Made in England- mint condition | eBay


    I'm not affiliated with the listing but thought someone should get a shot at it if they were looking for something similar.
    Last edited by JakeGuilbo; 12-02-2021 at 11:19 AM. Reason: Not Demondrae's horn
    Adams E3 0.6 with SS Bell
    K&G 3.5D
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    Founder and Solo Euphonium
    San Francisco Brass Band

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    Thanks for posting this one. I "pinned" it so it will stay in the top group because I think it's very interesting!

    I agree the price is high for a 2051, but for ME it IS significant that the horn was hand-picked at the factory by someone who knows their stuff. Bessons from England have been variable, and the best ones were/are excellent horns. The worst ones are worth avoiding. I guess the question for a potential buyer is, "How much is it worth to know you are getting an excellent 2051 vs. taking another horn for a cheaper price that may be less satisfactory?"

    AND there is a make-offer button on this listing, so...
    Dave Werden (ASCAP)
    Euphonium Soloist, U.S. Coast Guard Band, retired
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    Oh my, I shouldn't have seen this!!
    John Morgan
    The U.S. Army Band (Pershing's Own) 1971-1976
    Adams E3 Custom Series Euphonium, Wessex EP-100 Dolce Euphonium, 1956 B&H Imperial Euphonium
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    John, John, John... Good thing there is no reality show called "Euphonium Hoarders"!
    Dave Werden (ASCAP)
    Euphonium Soloist, U.S. Coast Guard Band, retired
    Adams Artist (Adams E3)
    Alliance Mouthpiece (DC4)
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    Do we have any independent verification of this? That's a lot of money for a used horn whose provenance is claimed only by the seller.

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    Update from Professor Thurman:
    "Hi Jacob. I hope all is well. I know this horn well but I didn't play it. It was played by my colleague Patrick Schulz. It's a terrific instrument and would be in great shape."
    Adams E3 0.6 with SS Bell
    K&G 3.5D
    ---------------------------------
    Founder and Solo Euphonium
    San Francisco Brass Band

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    The power of "sleep on it" plus revelations as to its lineage (not that Patrick Schulz is a slouch) have made me come back to my senses (what little I have). But the temptation is there...
    John Morgan
    The U.S. Army Band (Pershing's Own) 1971-1976
    Adams E3 Custom Series Euphonium, Wessex EP-100 Dolce Euphonium, 1956 B&H Imperial Euphonium
    Adams TB1 Tenor Trombone, Yamaha YBL-822G Bass Trombone
    Kingdom of the Sun Concert Band, Ocala, FL (Euphonium)

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    The person listing the item directly told me it was Demondrae's horn when I made a (fairly low) offer. That was wrong and I've informed him but I don't know if that will cause the price to change.
    Adams E3 0.6 with SS Bell
    K&G 3.5D
    ---------------------------------
    Founder and Solo Euphonium
    San Francisco Brass Band

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    If buying the horn would imbue me with the Professor's talent, I'd be all in. Tragically that's not how it works...
    Sterling Virtuoso Euphonium, Denis Wick 4AL
    Besson New Standard

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    I feel personally attacked by this comment!! LOL

    I resemble this remarků

    Quote Originally Posted by davewerden View Post
    John, John, John... Good thing there is no reality show called "Euphonium Hoarders"!
    Mike Taylor

    Illinois Brass Band

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