Does anyone have any information on the size of the Griego BB mouthpieces? There doesn’t seem to be any specs listed on there website, and I’m very intrigued as to what the sizes are.
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Griego Brian Bowman Mouthpiece sizes?
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If they are the same as the older DEG ones, the measurements are on Dave's chart here: Euphonium Mouthpiece Guide (dwerden.com)
I'm not sure if this has been answered in the forum or not before, but does anyone know why they originally stopped producing these wildly popular mouthpieces?Sean Kissane
Low Brass Specialist, Paige's Music
Principal Euphonium, Indianapolis Brass Choir
Principal Euphonium, Crossroads Brass Band
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I seem to recall that DEG might have gone dormant.... If this were correct, it might explain having passed the BB baton to Griego.... BTW, DEG as well as Griego, seem to be both affiliated to Getzen... Hence the BB series production is still staying well inside the family.
BTW, I have not tried BB mouthpieces yet.... I am only familiar with SM4U, DC4, and 4AL.... Hence here's my own question: what are the tonal and playing characteristics of BB1?
Regards, G.M5050L - DC2&3, SM2&4U, BT16, Carbonaria Heavy & New
Wessex EP104 Festivo - available
Carolbrass CCR7772 Bb cornet - Available
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Looks like Griego had been making them for DEG and now just sell them themselves
Brian Bowman Mouthpieces : Griego (griegomouthpieces.com)Adams E3 0.6 with SS Bell
K&G 3.5D
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Founder and Solo Euphonium
San Francisco Brass Band
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Originally posted by guidocorona View PostI seem to recall that DEG might have gone dormant.... If this were correct, it might explain having passed the BB baton to Griego.... BTW, DEG as well as Griego, seem to be both affiliated to Getzen... Hence the BB series production is still staying well inside the family.
BTW, I have not tried BB mouthpieces yet.... I am only familiar with SM4U, DC4, and 4AL.... Hence here's my own question: what are the tonal and playing characteristics of BB1?
Regards, G.
My teacher, Rob Stattel, was a student of Brian Bowman. Rob uses a medium shank BB1 with a Willson 2900 euphonium and like many students before me, I follow my teacher's example.Dean L. Surkin
Mack Brass MACK-EU1150S, BB1 mouthpiece
Bach 36B trombone; Bach 6.5AL and Faxx 7C mouthpieces (pBone on loan to granddaughter)
Steinway 1902 Model A, restored by AC Pianocraft in 1988; Kawai MP8, Yamaha KX-76
See my avatar: Jazz (the black cockapoo; RIP) and Delilah (the cavapoo) keep me company while practicing
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Thank you Dean for characterizing the tonal and playing qualities of BB1.... How would you contrast tonal and playing characteristics of SM4U against your favorite BB1?
Regards, GuidoM5050L - DC2&3, SM2&4U, BT16, Carbonaria Heavy & New
Wessex EP104 Festivo - available
Carolbrass CCR7772 Bb cornet - Available
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[I use the BB1, and have tried Kadja and SM4U. The BB1 rim size is about 1.01 inches, similar to a Schilke 51D. The mouthpiece itself has a fair amount of mass, a deep cup and an open backbore. I find that the slightly smaller rim size makes the high range easier for me, and the shape of cup and backbore give me a solid core. The low range has a deep sound and the high range has a singing quality.] How would you describe the rim? I'm currently playing on a Schilke 51D and Denis Wick SM5 (Schilke for marching baritone, and Denis Wick for concert euphonium). I like the rim of the Schilke (to me it seems for comfortable), but I like the way I sound on the Wick. My lesson teacher says that I he likes the way I sound on the Wick too, but I'm not a big fan of the rim, to me it seems more "flat".
In short, I'm looking for a mouthpiece that has the characteristics of the Steven Mead, but with a more comfortable "rounder" rim, which is why I am asking questions about the Brian Bowman.Last edited by D.M; 10-08-2021, 10:14 AM.
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Originally posted by guidocorona View PostThank you Dean for characterizing the tonal and playing qualities of BB1.... How would you contrast tonal and playing characteristics of SM4U against your favorite BB1?
Regards, GuidoDean L. Surkin
Mack Brass MACK-EU1150S, BB1 mouthpiece
Bach 36B trombone; Bach 6.5AL and Faxx 7C mouthpieces (pBone on loan to granddaughter)
Steinway 1902 Model A, restored by AC Pianocraft in 1988; Kawai MP8, Yamaha KX-76
See my avatar: Jazz (the black cockapoo; RIP) and Delilah (the cavapoo) keep me company while practicing
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Originally posted by D.M View Post[snip]
How would you describe the rim? I'm currently playing on a Schilke 51D and Denis Wick SM5 (Schilke for marching baritone, and Denis Wick for concert euphonium). I like the rim of the Schilke (to me it seems for comfortable), but I like the way I sound on the Wick. My lesson teacher says that I he likes the way I sound on the Wick too, but I'm not a big fan of the rim, to me it seems more "flat".
In short, I'm looking for a mouthpiece that has the characteristics of the Steven Mead, but with a more comfortable "rounder" rim, which is why I am asking questions about the Brian Bowman.Dean L. Surkin
Mack Brass MACK-EU1150S, BB1 mouthpiece
Bach 36B trombone; Bach 6.5AL and Faxx 7C mouthpieces (pBone on loan to granddaughter)
Steinway 1902 Model A, restored by AC Pianocraft in 1988; Kawai MP8, Yamaha KX-76
See my avatar: Jazz (the black cockapoo; RIP) and Delilah (the cavapoo) keep me company while practicing
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Originally posted by D.M View Post[I use the BB1, and have tried Kadja and SM4U. The BB1 rim size is about 1.01 inches, similar to a Schilke 51D. The mouthpiece itself has a fair amount of mass, a deep cup and an open backbore. I find that the slightly smaller rim size makes the high range easier for me, and the shape of cup and backbore give me a solid core. The low range has a deep sound and the high range has a singing quality.] How would you describe the rim? I'm currently playing on a Schilke 51D and Denis Wick SM5 (Schilke for marching baritone, and Denis Wick for concert euphonium). I like the rim of the Schilke (to me it seems for comfortable), but I like the way I sound on the Wick. My lesson teacher says that I he likes the way I sound on the Wick too, but I'm not a big fan of the rim, to me it seems more "flat".
In short, I'm looking for a mouthpiece that has the characteristics of the Steven Mead, but with a more comfortable "rounder" rim, which is why I am asking questions about the Brian Bowman.
John
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Thank you for your information Mr. John. I'm not a very knowledgeable in the mouthpiece world, so thank you for the clarification. So what would you say are the characteristics of the mouthpiece compared to the SMs? Also, what makes the BB1 and SM series different.
Also, I hope I am not annoying anyone with these types of questions, I really like information like this and learning from it.
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Originally posted by D.M View Post[I use the BB1, and have tried Kadja and SM4U. The BB1 rim size is about 1.01 inches, similar to a Schilke 51D. The mouthpiece itself has a fair amount of mass, a deep cup and an open backbore. I find that the slightly smaller rim size makes the high range easier for me, and the shape of cup and backbore give me a solid core. The low range has a deep sound and the high range has a singing quality.] How would you describe the rim? I'm currently playing on a Schilke 51D and Denis Wick SM5 (Schilke for marching baritone, and Denis Wick for concert euphonium). I like the rim of the Schilke (to me it seems for comfortable), but I like the way I sound on the Wick. My lesson teacher says that I he likes the way I sound on the Wick too, but I'm not a big fan of the rim, to me it seems more "flat".
In short, I'm looking for a mouthpiece that has the characteristics of the Steven Mead, but with a more comfortable "rounder" rim, which is why I am asking questions about the Brian Bowman.
You say that the BB1 gives you a good high and low range with a singing quality. So what do you like better about the SM4U?
I have used a 51D, BB1 and various Wicks in the past. Out of the three, I prefer the 51D sound, but they are all close in sound. The Wicks are more open, but for me that is not necessarily a good thing. The 51D gives me a more core but with a smoother sound. I find that the BB1 has a very sharp rim which made it uncomfortable and also feel smaller that its 1.02 size. The 51D is smaller than the 51D at about 1.00 size, but the rim is not so sharp.
Mike
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