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  • franz
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2015
    • 392

    Besson new standard

    Yesterday I saw this ad on Facebook and I did not miss the opportunity: what do you think?
    Vendesi prestigioso euphonium professionale compensato "Besson New Standard" made in England seriale nr. 532483, corpo argento satinato con interno campana, stortini pompe, piattelli pistoni ed inserti vari in argento lucido. Fantastico esemplare del '73 top di gamma dell'epoca predecessore dell'attuale Sovereign, le condizioni sono eccelse come si evince dalle foto, lo strumento è stato tenuto con grandissima cura. Veramente raro trovarne in simili condizioni, non ha una botta, da vetrina (vale la pena guardare tutte le foto)!!! Pompe tutte libere, ottima compressione, ottima intonazione, ottima corsa pistoni, perfettamente funzionale al 100% in ogni suo minimo particolare. Voce scurissima, massiccia, possente, assolutamente unica nel suo genere, la vera grande voce dei Besson inglesi dell'epoca, inimitabile !! Elevata proiezione sonora, strumento che canta a meraviglia con voce piena e corposa in tutta la sua estensione. Vendo con custodia rigida originale più bocchino entrambi in ottime condizioni. Lo strumento si può tranquillamente provare e visionare di persona qui in zona e dintorni, qualunque prova ammessa. Massima disponibilità e serietà. Spedisco in tutta Italia, garantisco accurato imballo.Click image for larger version

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    Prezzo euro 900 trattabili.
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    Last edited by franz; 08-26-2021, 12:29 PM.
    2007 Besson Prestige 2052, 3D+ K&G mouthpiece; JP373 baritone, 4B modified K&G mouthpiece; Bach 42GO trombone, T4C K&G mouthpiece; 1973 Besson New Standard 3 compensated valves, 3D+ K&G modified mouthpiece; Wessex French C tuba, 3D+ K&G modified mouthpiece.
  • daruby
    Moderator
    • Apr 2006
    • 2217

    #2
    stunning. if you want a 3 valve comp horn, I have seen none nicer.
    Adams E3 0.60 Sterling bell - Prototype top sprung valves
    Concord Band
    Winchendon Winds
    Townsend Military Band

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    • Shinn
      Senior Member
      • Feb 2020
      • 277

      #3
      Beautiful Besson 3-valve compensating euphonium (Model 176)! Should have the euro shank mouthpiece receiver being a 1973 model.

      Did you buy it?!?!
      David Shinn
      Peninsula Concert Band
      Yorktown, Virginia



      1971 Besson 181 ‘New Standard’ Euphonium (3+1 compensating) ~ Alliance DC3M
      1971 Besson 176 ‘New Standard’ Euphonium (3 compensating) ~ Alliance DC3M
      1979 Besson 755 'New Standard' Baritone (3 compensating) ~ Alliance DC5S
      1894 Besson ‘Doublophone’ Euphonium (3 + 1 changeover) & Original Leather Case


      Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/davidshinn....ibextid=LQQJ4d
      Peninsula Concert Band: https://www.peninsulaconcertband.org/

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      • franz
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2015
        • 392

        #4
        Originally posted by Shinn View Post
        Beautiful Besson 3-valve compensating euphonium (Model 176)! Should have the euro shank mouthpiece receiver being a 1973 model.

        Did you buy it?!?!
        Yes!
        2007 Besson Prestige 2052, 3D+ K&G mouthpiece; JP373 baritone, 4B modified K&G mouthpiece; Bach 42GO trombone, T4C K&G mouthpiece; 1973 Besson New Standard 3 compensated valves, 3D+ K&G modified mouthpiece; Wessex French C tuba, 3D+ K&G modified mouthpiece.

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        • Shinn
          Senior Member
          • Feb 2020
          • 277

          #5
          CONGRATS!!! Wonderful instrument!
          David Shinn
          Peninsula Concert Band
          Yorktown, Virginia



          1971 Besson 181 ‘New Standard’ Euphonium (3+1 compensating) ~ Alliance DC3M
          1971 Besson 176 ‘New Standard’ Euphonium (3 compensating) ~ Alliance DC3M
          1979 Besson 755 'New Standard' Baritone (3 compensating) ~ Alliance DC5S
          1894 Besson ‘Doublophone’ Euphonium (3 + 1 changeover) & Original Leather Case


          Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/davidshinn....ibextid=LQQJ4d
          Peninsula Concert Band: https://www.peninsulaconcertband.org/

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          • John Morgan
            Moderator
            • Apr 2014
            • 1884

            #6
            Originally posted by franz View Post
            Yes!
            Oh man, I think I would have bought that horn if I lived in Italy or if the seller would ship to me or if I could sneak it into the house without Linda finding out. Do you have it yet? What does it sound like? What does it look like? Is it as nice as the pictures show? And for less than 1K Euros, that seems to be a very good price for a horn in such good condition.

            When you realize that you can't keep it, Franz, please let me know by private message, and I will be happy to purchase it from you if I can figure out a way to get it here without Linda knowing...
            John Morgan
            The U.S. Army Band (Pershing's Own) 1971-1976
            Adams E3 Custom Series Euphonium, 1956 B&H Imperial Euphonium,
            1973 F. E. Olds & Son Studio Model T-31 Baritone
            Adams TB1 Tenor Trombone, Yamaha YBL-822G Bass Trombone
            Year Round Except Summer:
            Kingdom of the Sun (KOS) Concert Band, Ocala, FL (Euphonium)
            KOS Brass Quintet (Trombone, Euphonium)
            Summer Only:
            Rapid City Municipal Band, Rapid City, SD (Euphonium)
            Rapid City New Horizons Band (Euphonium)

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            • franz
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2015
              • 392

              #7
              It's on the way, it' about to arrive. I'll put some more photos

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              Last edited by franz; 08-27-2021, 04:59 AM.
              2007 Besson Prestige 2052, 3D+ K&G mouthpiece; JP373 baritone, 4B modified K&G mouthpiece; Bach 42GO trombone, T4C K&G mouthpiece; 1973 Besson New Standard 3 compensated valves, 3D+ K&G modified mouthpiece; Wessex French C tuba, 3D+ K&G modified mouthpiece.

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              • franz
                Senior Member
                • Dec 2015
                • 392

                #8
                It's just arrived, great: I'm happy as a child on Christmas day!
                2007 Besson Prestige 2052, 3D+ K&G mouthpiece; JP373 baritone, 4B modified K&G mouthpiece; Bach 42GO trombone, T4C K&G mouthpiece; 1973 Besson New Standard 3 compensated valves, 3D+ K&G modified mouthpiece; Wessex French C tuba, 3D+ K&G modified mouthpiece.

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                • Shinn
                  Senior Member
                  • Feb 2020
                  • 277

                  #9
                  Fantastic!!!
                  David Shinn
                  Peninsula Concert Band
                  Yorktown, Virginia



                  1971 Besson 181 ‘New Standard’ Euphonium (3+1 compensating) ~ Alliance DC3M
                  1971 Besson 176 ‘New Standard’ Euphonium (3 compensating) ~ Alliance DC3M
                  1979 Besson 755 'New Standard' Baritone (3 compensating) ~ Alliance DC5S
                  1894 Besson ‘Doublophone’ Euphonium (3 + 1 changeover) & Original Leather Case


                  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/davidshinn....ibextid=LQQJ4d
                  Peninsula Concert Band: https://www.peninsulaconcertband.org/

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                  • davewerden
                    Administrator
                    • Nov 2005
                    • 11136

                    #10
                    That's in remarkable condition! Congratulations on grabbing this one!
                    Dave Werden (ASCAP)
                    Euphonium Soloist, U.S. Coast Guard Band, retired
                    Adams Artist (Adams E3)
                    Alliance Mouthpiece DC3, Wick 4AL, Wick 4ABL
                    YouTube: dwerden
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                    • RickF
                      Moderator
                      • Jan 2006
                      • 3869

                      #11
                      Oh wow! Just gorgeous! Congrats!
                      Rick Floyd
                      Miraphone 5050 - Warburton BJ / RF mpc

                      "Always play with a good tone, never louder than lovely, never softer than supported." - author unknown.
                      Symphonic Band of the Palm Beaches

                      El Cumbanchero (Raphael Hernandez, arr. Naohiro Iwai)
                      The Cowboys (John Williams, arr. James Curnow)
                      Festive Overture(Dmitri Shostakovich)

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                      • franz
                        Senior Member
                        • Dec 2015
                        • 392

                        #12
                        First impressions after about an hour of playing: this horn sounds great, easy, full, free with an almost perfect intonation with the exception of the famous tremendously acute sixth partial, which can be easily remedied with the alternative positions: F 1-3, F# 1-2-3, G 1-2. If I want to find a fault, the pistons are a bit noisy due to the metal guides and the buttons, which having a conical shape, have a small surface for the fingers and after a little play they hurt ( their mark remains imprinted on the fingers). It came with a new mouthpiece 6 1/2 AL B Arnolds & Sons ( probably a facsimile of the Bach) which I don't like. I then proceeded to modified one of my K&G 3D large shank mouthpieces into medium shank ( 10 minutes of work) and I replaced the conical original buttons with those of the Prestige I had mounted on the baritone. The original aesthetic has changed, but I prefer functionality. Tell me what do you think, if you prefer the original look or the modified one.

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                        Last edited by franz; 08-27-2021, 08:53 AM.
                        2007 Besson Prestige 2052, 3D+ K&G mouthpiece; JP373 baritone, 4B modified K&G mouthpiece; Bach 42GO trombone, T4C K&G mouthpiece; 1973 Besson New Standard 3 compensated valves, 3D+ K&G modified mouthpiece; Wessex French C tuba, 3D+ K&G modified mouthpiece.

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                        • davewerden
                          Administrator
                          • Nov 2005
                          • 11136

                          #13
                          I like either choice visually, although my tendency is to prefer the original buttons because they match the valve caps. (I always hated those valve caps because they would cut the knuckles of my right hand after I carried the horn using the hand brace!)
                          Dave Werden (ASCAP)
                          Euphonium Soloist, U.S. Coast Guard Band, retired
                          Adams Artist (Adams E3)
                          Alliance Mouthpiece DC3, Wick 4AL, Wick 4ABL
                          YouTube: dwerden
                          Facebook: davewerden
                          Twitter: davewerden
                          Instagram: davewerdeneuphonium

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                          • TheJH
                            Senior Member
                            • Dec 2014
                            • 339

                            #14
                            I like either as well, although I feel like I'm one of the few people that doesn't mind the conical buttons and kind of prefers them, since it feels like they prevent my fingers from pressing the valves from the side, so to speak.

                            Or because the baritone I started on also was a New Standard with those valve caps xD
                            Euphoniums
                            2008 Willson 2960TA Celebration
                            1979 Boosey & Hawkes Sovereign (Round Stamp)
                            Mouthpiece: Denis Wick SM4
                            Baritone
                            1975 Besson New Standard
                            Mouthpiece: Courtois 10

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                            • aroberts781
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2014
                              • 288

                              #15
                              I agree with you Franz, those Prestige caps look much more comfortable to play, although I have no first hand experience playing on those old style Besson caps. The old caps are so characteristic of the old Besson and they do look cool, but I think I prefer the look of the new caps. My personal taste would prefer if they were silver instead of gold, but the thing I like the most about it is just the individual touch of a musician making their instrument work best for them, you know what I'm trying to say?
                              1976 Besson 3-valve New Standard, DE102/I/I8
                              1969 Conn 88H, Schilke 51

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