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  • highpitch
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2006
    • 1034

    #16
    The lure of vintage New Standards is real...

    DDG

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    • Shinn
      Senior Member
      • Feb 2020
      • 277

      #17
      RE: Look - original or customized?

      Your Horn Your Rules!

      But keep the original buttons in the rare event you ever offer it up for sale!
      Last edited by Shinn; 08-27-2021, 06:38 PM.
      David Shinn
      Peninsula Concert Band
      Yorktown, Virginia



      1971 Besson 181 ‘New Standard’ Euphonium (3+1 compensating) ~ Alliance DC3M
      1971 Besson 176 ‘New Standard’ Euphonium (3 compensating) ~ Alliance DC3M
      1979 Besson 755 'New Standard' Baritone (3 compensating) ~ Alliance DC5S
      1894 Besson ‘Doublophone’ Euphonium (3 + 1 changeover) & Original Leather Case


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      • John Morgan
        Moderator
        • Apr 2014
        • 1884

        #18
        Yes, I think either look swell, although I would probably opt for silver unless there were more gold touches on the horn. Gorgeous horn and great find, Franz! Don't set it down, someone will take it!!
        Last edited by John Morgan; 08-27-2021, 10:48 AM.
        John Morgan
        The U.S. Army Band (Pershing's Own) 1971-1976
        Adams E3 Custom Series Euphonium, 1956 B&H Imperial Euphonium,
        1973 F. E. Olds & Son Studio Model T-31 Baritone
        Adams TB1 Tenor Trombone, Yamaha YBL-822G Bass Trombone
        Year Round Except Summer:
        Kingdom of the Sun (KOS) Concert Band, Ocala, FL (Euphonium)
        KOS Brass Quintet (Trombone, Euphonium)
        Summer Only:
        Rapid City Municipal Band, Rapid City, SD (Euphonium)
        Rapid City New Horizons Band (Euphonium)

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        • franz
          Senior Member
          • Dec 2015
          • 392

          #19
          Thanks to everyone for the compliments and advice: I will certainly also keep the original buttons: the ones I put on are more comfortable and functional and, fortunately, they fit perfectly ( the piston stroke is the same, with precision to the tenth of a millimeter). Yes, I have to admit: this was a lucky and unexpected hit.
          2007 Besson Prestige 2052, 3D+ K&G mouthpiece; JP373 baritone, 4B modified K&G mouthpiece; Bach 42GO trombone, T4C K&G mouthpiece; 1973 Besson New Standard 3 compensated valves, 3D+ K&G modified mouthpiece; Wessex French C tuba, 3D+ K&G modified mouthpiece.

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          • franz
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2015
            • 392

            #20
            Some information about the horn: the guy who sold it to me is a collector who buys, repairs and sometimes resells brass instruments. He told me that the horn in question was manufactured in 1973 and has a double serial number because it belonged to a series built specifically for the German market. In fact he remembers that he had bought it years ago near Stuttgart in a shop that dealt with used musical instruments. Nothing is known about the previous owner, except that he was a person who took particular care of his instrument, given the conditions in which occurs after 48 years. I really like the voice it gives off so much that I prefer it, even if only slightly, to that of my Prestige ( they have Germany in common, one for the destination and the other for the origin). the new standard has a darker and more and decisive sound, the Prestige more clear and delicate. I will use them both, depending on the context and the music to be played. Obviously the new standard is unsuitable for playing solo pieces where the performance of notes below the staff is required, but for band music it can be safely used in 99.9 percent of cases. Good music to me and all you. Thank you.
            2007 Besson Prestige 2052, 3D+ K&G mouthpiece; JP373 baritone, 4B modified K&G mouthpiece; Bach 42GO trombone, T4C K&G mouthpiece; 1973 Besson New Standard 3 compensated valves, 3D+ K&G modified mouthpiece; Wessex French C tuba, 3D+ K&G modified mouthpiece.

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            • franz
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2015
              • 392

              #21
              Update: I re-soldered the bridge that binds the leadpipe to the bell and eliminated the play and noise of the piston guides by coating them with a thin layer of two-component epoxy resin, now it's perfect. By the way, a new purchase will arrive later this month and it will be a surpraise. I can anticipate that is a Wessex, let's see if anyone guesses.
              2007 Besson Prestige 2052, 3D+ K&G mouthpiece; JP373 baritone, 4B modified K&G mouthpiece; Bach 42GO trombone, T4C K&G mouthpiece; 1973 Besson New Standard 3 compensated valves, 3D+ K&G modified mouthpiece; Wessex French C tuba, 3D+ K&G modified mouthpiece.

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              • guidocorona
                Senior Member
                • Jun 2018
                • 483

                #22
                Hmm, let's see.... Perhaps a nice Dolce? …. Naah!

                May be a lovely Festivo? … Proly…. Nah....

                Ah yes.... How couldn't I think of it before... How 'bout a lil' prancing brand spankin' new Sinfonico in its uberfetching Silver&Copper livery?! … Me thinks that's more like it!

                Saluti, G.
                M5050L - DC2&3, SM2&4U, BT16, Carbonaria Heavy & New
                Wessex EP104 Festivo - available
                Carolbrass CCR7772 Bb cornet - Available

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                • franz
                  Senior Member
                  • Dec 2015
                  • 392

                  #23
                  Hello everybody,
                  an update on the 1973 Besson new standard bought last year: I replaced the noisy metal piston guides with nylon ones (which I was able to find thanks to the indications found here), replacement of the original keys with the more comfortable ones of the Sovereign, plating palladium valve caps and slides and welding of the false right hand support tube for a more ergonomic set-up, especially when played while marching. Tell me what you think.
                  Best wishes
                  Franz

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                  Last edited by franz; 09-17-2022, 07:56 AM.
                  2007 Besson Prestige 2052, 3D+ K&G mouthpiece; JP373 baritone, 4B modified K&G mouthpiece; Bach 42GO trombone, T4C K&G mouthpiece; 1973 Besson New Standard 3 compensated valves, 3D+ K&G modified mouthpiece; Wessex French C tuba, 3D+ K&G modified mouthpiece.

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                  • aroberts781
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2014
                    • 288

                    #24
                    I think it looks great, congrats!
                    1976 Besson 3-valve New Standard, DE102/I/I8
                    1969 Conn 88H, Schilke 51

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                    • RickF
                      Moderator
                      • Jan 2006
                      • 3869

                      #25
                      Franz, the NS looks great! The finger buttons have to be more comfortable than the original. Congrats.
                      Rick Floyd
                      Miraphone 5050 - Warburton BJ / RF mpc

                      "Always play with a good tone, never louder than lovely, never softer than supported." - author unknown.
                      Symphonic Band of the Palm Beaches

                      El Cumbanchero (Raphael Hernandez, arr. Naohiro Iwai)
                      The Cowboys (John Williams, arr. James Curnow)
                      Festive Overture(Dmitri Shostakovich)

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                      • franz
                        Senior Member
                        • Dec 2015
                        • 392

                        #26
                        Hello everyone, I'm about to complete the purchase on behalf of my chair mate of the band of this beautiful 1967 Besson class A New Standard in wonderful condition (there are signs of wear on the pistons in some places where the chrome has come off, but the compression is still excellent), at a more than good price of €800 including shipping. It seems that lately I've been dedicating myself to buying these vintage instruments that seem indestructible over time and that, to my ears, sound great without envying anything from more recently built ones. Tell me what you think and good music to all.

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                        2007 Besson Prestige 2052, 3D+ K&G mouthpiece; JP373 baritone, 4B modified K&G mouthpiece; Bach 42GO trombone, T4C K&G mouthpiece; 1973 Besson New Standard 3 compensated valves, 3D+ K&G modified mouthpiece; Wessex French C tuba, 3D+ K&G modified mouthpiece.

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                        • Shinn
                          Senior Member
                          • Feb 2020
                          • 277

                          #27
                          Absolutely stunning Besson New Standard!!!
                          David Shinn
                          Peninsula Concert Band
                          Yorktown, Virginia



                          1971 Besson 181 ‘New Standard’ Euphonium (3+1 compensating) ~ Alliance DC3M
                          1971 Besson 176 ‘New Standard’ Euphonium (3 compensating) ~ Alliance DC3M
                          1979 Besson 755 'New Standard' Baritone (3 compensating) ~ Alliance DC5S
                          1894 Besson ‘Doublophone’ Euphonium (3 + 1 changeover) & Original Leather Case


                          Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/davidshinn....ibextid=LQQJ4d
                          Peninsula Concert Band: https://www.peninsulaconcertband.org/

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                          • highpitch
                            Senior Member
                            • Mar 2006
                            • 1034

                            #28
                            Interesting dealer and owner stampings. Also the prominent "Class A" markings missing from those over here.

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