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Thread: Piston Weight Comparisons

  1. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by Jharris View Post
    Does stainless steel weigh more per metre than Solbron?
    Old pistons were made with brass, I believe, and stainless steel is much heavier.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jharris View Post
    Do heavy valves help sound projection/tone wise?
    Good question. I don't know, but it seems logical that they might.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jharris View Post
    Or are they simply a consequence of larger bore instruments?
    No, they are heavier material, as mentioned above (although a larger bore horn probably needs a larger diameter piston at some point, which would also add a teeny bit of weight). I think the stainless steel lasts longer, of course, but it is also more dimensionally stable.
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  2. Willson 2900 (newer model, ca. 2012) - 86g

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    Willson 2900 TA-1 Euphonium - Denis Wick 4AM
    Yamaha YSL-643 Trombone - Bob Reeves BrassArk 5G "Gladstone"
    Yamaha YSL-8440 Trombone - Denis Wick 5BS
    VMI 3301S BBb Tuba - Schilke Helleberg

    Past:
    York Preference 3067 Euphonium - Denis Wick 4AL
    Benge 165F Trombone - Benge Marcellus
    Wessex BR140 Baritone - Denis Wick 6BS
    F.E. Olds Special Trombone (ca. 1941)

  3. Adams Sonic / Sonic-V (five)

    68g Sonic valve on left. 96g Adams E-1 valve on right.

    68g vs 96g = >29% reduction in reciprocating mass.
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  4. #14
    Just a reminder that the newer post is below, which includes a chart of the weights (I just added Matthew's Sonic):

    http://www.dwerden.com/forum/showthr...t-Valve-Weight
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    Update: The weight of the pistons on my compensated Besson New Standard 3-valve comes in at 74 grams.
    2007 Besson Prestige 2052, 3D+ K&G mouthpiece; JP373 baritone, 4B modified K&G mouthpiece; Bach 42GO trombone, T4C K&G mouthpiece; 1973 Besson New Standard 3 compensated valves, 3D+ K&G modified mouthpiece; Wessex French C tuba, 3D+ K&G modified mouthpiece.

  6. Quote Originally Posted by franz View Post
    Update: The weight of the pistons on my compensated Besson New Standard 3-valve comes in at 74 grams.
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    I thought that sounded light, but WOW. Here's my the 3rd valve off my 1973 Besson 4-valve...

    74 grams it is...

  7. Geneva GVL Cardinal valve weight 102g

  8. #18
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    I'll weigh my Willson 2960's and my B&H Sovereign's tomorrow evening, although I'm expecting them to be similar if not the same as the 2900 and Imperial respectively.

  9. #19
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    The results:
    - B&H Sovereign (1979): 71 grams
    - Willson 2960 TA (late 2000s I think): 91 grams
    Euphoniums
    2008 Willson 2960TA Celebration
    1979 Boosey & Hawkes Sovereign (Round Stamp)
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    Baritone
    1975 Besson New Standard
    Mouthpiece: Courtois 10

  10. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by TheJH View Post
    The results:
    - B&H Sovereign (1979): 71 grams
    - Willson 2960 TA (late 2000s I think): 91 grams
    Got 'em - thanks1
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