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  • daruby
    Moderator
    • Apr 2006
    • 2217

    Wessex EP-600 Sinfonico - Review #3 (Doug Ruby)

    Hi all,

    I am very pleased to be the third person on the list to evaluate the Wessex EP-600 “Sinfonico” euphonium. Each of us so far have taken a somewhat different route through this evaluation since we are just now performing in ensembles again. Thus we have held on to the horn for 2-3 weeks each and used it in practice, rehearsal, and performance.

    In this review, I have specifically compared the Sinfonico (with long tuning slide) with my 2009 Sterling Virtuoso 1065HGS. In both cases, I used the same Wick 4AL. This comparison is more appropriate than with my Adams based on the bell sizes. The Sinfonico has an 11” bell while the Sterling has a 300mm (11 5/8”). My Adams is just over 12” with an extremely large throat section and produces a substantially different sound from the other two.

    This review is divided into 6 sections, Mechanical, Ergonomics, Intonation, Response, Tone, and Video samples. At the end of this write-up, I provide a YouTube link so that you can see some of my comments visually and hear a few clips for comparison purposes.

    Mechanical

    When I received the horn, it was in need of a thorough cleaning. It was not fresh out of the box, having arrived from the prior reviewer as well as having been used in the Wessex showroom in Chicago and had a number of 10’s of hours of playing time. After a thorough cleaning and some mild polishing, I was prepared to experience that “fresh out of the box” experience.

    The Sinfonico is a striking instrument with its polished silver and lacquered copper finish. The valve action is quite good with a solid feel. I was using the long tuning slide that comes with the horn (it ships with two) and also used both the large shank and the tenor shank receivers (it ships with three). All of these pieces fit well, though the slides were all fairly tight, requiring careful attention with my Hetman’s #7. In addition to two tuning slides and three screw-in receivers, the Sinfonico comes with an extra set of valve springs and valve guides. The usual assortment of valve oil and cleaning/polishing cloths are also included.

    I had two issues I that I consider need fixing with the mechanical quality of the horn. The first is the tab that holds the 4th valve closed when you put the horn in the case. It stops movement in a fairly precarious position that makes it possible to get accidentally bumped and stop the 4th valve from working properly. The second issue was the lacquer finish on the 4th valve tuning slide. It had already worn off to the extent that the copper finish on that slide became quite tarnished. This is a pure manufacturing issue on the finishing of that slide. See the video for a visual explanation of this.

    The valve caps threaded ok, but were a bit fiddly as the threads are very new. Also. none of the bottom caps had nipples for fitment of a water gutter.


    Ergonomics

    While I did not weigh it, the Sinfonico is lighter than my 10 lb, 8 oz Sterling, but probably just a bit heavier than my 9 lb 5 oz Adams E3. It definitely is lighter than the ACB Doubler that I evaluated last year.

    The horn “feels” smaller than my Sterling, but I can verify that the distance from the outer branch to the bell throat (width of the horn) as well as the height (from bottom bow to top of bell) is nearly the same as my Adams and my Sterling. I used the same settings on my K&G euphonium stands. The biggest difference is the length and placement of the leadpipe. The leadpipe does not project as far away from the bell on the Sinfonico as it does on either of my other horns, so your face is closer to the bell when playing the horn. Also, I think the receiver sits lower on the bell (nearer the bottom bow) much as it does on a Yamaha 842S. This makes the horn feel “smaller” when in reality it is not.

    The valve action and location of the “false piece” is really very good. My hand position was quite comfortable and I could put my thumb under the false piece with the tip against the 1st valve casing and comfortably reach all three valves. Valve action was smooth with no issues due to any residue from manufacture (remember it received a very thorough cleaning when I received it). I could use Blue Juice and that seemed to last for at least 2 practice sessions of 1-2 hrs each.

    Intonation

    Keeping in mind that I used the Sinfonico in personal practice as well as ensemble playing, the really excellent intonation of the horn is mostly a blessing, but also a bit of a curse. The only alternate fingering that I used was 3rd valve instead of 1-2 on middle concert G. All other notes used conventional fingerings and seemed to play “right down the middle”. The 6th partial Eb, E, and F are exceptionally in tune.

    As another forum member noted just yesterday, this may be an issue when playing in a section with performers that have uncorrected sharp 6th partials. I found my seatmate is unable to bring his Yamaha YEP-641 down to pitch and I wore myself out trying to lip up to him. I have a similar problem with the Adams E3, though my Adams is sharp enough on the open F to be able to match with just a little work. With my Sterling, I can either trigger the notes into pitch, or play them sharp w/o trigger to match the section (generally better than dueling pitches!). This alone would keep me from using the Sinfonico in this particular ensemble.

    In all of my playing, I used the long tuning slide and had all the valve slides pushed all the way in. While I did not create pitch charts, I used a tuner during my daily routine. This routine includes warmup, melodic, flexibility, and technical exercises from pedal concert Cb to concert D over four octaves above. I did not notice any distinct pitch issues whatsoever. On balance, I would say the Sinfonico (in the configuration I used) is just about the most “in tune” horn I have ever played.

    Response

    Overall the Sinfonico has very good response, most likely better than the ACB Doubler that I tested last year since I didn’t get as tired playing the Sinfonico as the Doubler. Perhaps the biggest difference between the Sinfonico and my Sterling is what I call “overall response”. The dynamic response (volume low to high) was nearly as good as the Sterling and better than the ACB, but I found technical response (getting notes to drop in during difficult technical passages or odd intervals) to be easier on the Sterling. The effect is to give the Sterling a smoother sound which I think shows up in the recordings.

    Tone

    I consider intonation and tone to be key strengths of this horn. As soon as I started playing it, I noticed that the Sinfonico was a darned nice sounding horn. With its 11” bell, the Sinfonico definitely has a more focused sound than the Sterling or my Adams E3. From behind the bell, I think the differences are more noticeable than when listening in front of the horn. Having said that, I did an awful lot of “#1 or #2?” blind testing with my wife as captive listener. Most of the time, she heard very little difference and did not prefer one over the other. I wish I still had my 11” Besson 2051 to compare to the Sinfonico. The effect of bell size would be more easily isolated with a comparable horn.

    Listen for yourselves in the video clips linked below and see if you can hear a difference.

    Video Reference

    Below is a link to my video of the Wessex EP-600 Sinfonico.

    https://youtu.be/TK-a1-Jue4g

    It begins with me talking about and showing you the horn, including the two mechanical issues I discussed above. Following that are A/B performances of three musical snippets with the Sinfonico first followed by the Sterling. These were all recorded in the same session, in the order presented, and I would put the Sinfonico down, pick up the Sterling and play the same piece before going on to the next. The three musical phrases are:

    1. Bydlo from the Eric Leidzen arrangement of Pictures at an Exhibition (no longer in print due to copyright restrictions from the Ravel estate). This band version of Bydlo is in key of Bb and a full step lower than the orchestral version.
    2. First section of Nessun Dorma aria from Puccini’s Turandot. Arranged for trombone.
    3. Characteristic Study #2 from Arban. First 8 bars up to key change.


    Summary

    I am comfortable saying that the Wessex EP-600 is a very good instrument without regard to price. For just over $3K it provides many of the characteristics of a much more expensive horn, with excellent tone, great intonation, and good response. It represents good value for money, and is an attractive handmade instrument that needs just a bit more mechanical polish and refinement to bring it to the quality of some of the better professional instruments that are priced at 2x to 3x more.
    Adams E3 0.60 Sterling bell - Prototype top sprung valves
    Concord Band
    Winchendon Winds
    Townsend Military Band
  • davewerden
    Administrator
    • Nov 2005
    • 11138

    #2
    Very nice review, Doug, with your usual clarity and careful detail! It's clear that this is going to be a good addition to our market choices.

    FWIW, I agree that the statement about the appearance being striking, and I think it was smart of Wessex to choose the copper. Having your brand's premier instrument be distinctive at first sight is a good marketing move and helps create interest - a good thing. For me personally, it is not a look I care for, but that is an individual thing of course. (I'm also not personally fond of the black trim that some horns have.)

    Originally posted by daruby View Post
    ...the really excellent intonation of the horn is mostly a blessing, but also a bit of a curse. The only alternate fingering that I used was 3rd valve instead of 1-2 on middle concert G. All other notes used conventional fingerings and seemed to play “right down the middle”. The 6th partial Eb, E, and F are exceptionally in tune.

    As another forum member noted just yesterday, this may be an issue when playing in a section with performers that have uncorrected sharp 6th partials. I found my seatmate is unable to bring his Yamaha YEP-641 down to pitch and I wore myself out trying to lip up to him. I have a similar problem with the Adams E3, though my Adams is sharp enough on the open F to be able to match with just a little work. With my Sterling, I can either trigger the notes into pitch, or play them sharp w/o trigger to match the section (generally better than dueling pitches!). This alone would keep me from using the Sinfonico in this particular ensemble.
    Well said. But there is another side to consider. While it is not good to be "the only soldier in step" so to speak, setting a true standard might be good. Your upper F concert can be sharp when you are in octave/unison with cornets, other brands of euphonium, and maybe trombones (they tend sharp on the F, but of course can adjust easily). But when playing with French horns and some of the woodwinds, not to mention any keyboards/mallet-instruments that might be playing along, an in-tune F could be good.

    That said, when Denis Winter was first in the CG Band he played a Connstellation. He was good at using his trigger, and it drove me nuts, because I was playing a "traditional" Besson with a 6-1/2AL mouthpiece. Once he got his Willson, life was easier. (I think the Willson was a bit less sharp there, and his 51D probably was less sharp up there, but it was all easy to work through at that point.)
    Dave Werden (ASCAP)
    Euphonium Soloist, U.S. Coast Guard Band, retired
    Adams Artist (Adams E3)
    Alliance Mouthpiece DC3, Wick 4AL, Wick 4ABL
    YouTube: dwerden
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    • RickF
      Moderator
      • Jan 2006
      • 3871

      #3
      Thanks Doug for that excellent and very thorough review! The ‘Sinfonico’ sounds really good!

      Having played a 641 for twelve years, I can agree with you about the sixth partials being very sharp. I found the 641 very hard to lip. I think it has to do with the top brace from bow to bell being too high. I used 4 for concert F, 4-1 or 1-3 for Eb. The E natural was nearly 20 cents sharp with 2nd valve. 4-2 works but tone suffered on my horn.
      Rick Floyd
      Miraphone 5050 - Warburton BJ / RF mpc

      "Always play with a good tone, never louder than lovely, never softer than supported." - author unknown.
      Symphonic Band of the Palm Beaches

      El Cumbanchero (Raphael Hernandez, arr. Naohiro Iwai)
      The Cowboys (John Williams, arr. James Curnow)
      Festive Overture (Dmitri Shostakovich)

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      • Jharris
        Member
        • Jun 2021
        • 61

        #4
        From my perspective, the difficult conversation to explain that the tuning instrument a player has had and loved for 40 years is out of tune, and not have them take it personally is where I might struggle, I am new to the band, not on the top seat and don’t wish to come across as a smug know it all…

        Cornets have tuning triggers and can/mostly do easily compensate when playing in unison.

        I also find that A (G) is best on 3, to be perfectly in tune, but that in ensemble you don’t have to use it when lipping/adjusting to the group…

        The 4th valve cover I initially thought was odd, but it makes sense when you think about avoiding knocking the bell and damaging the finish, I notice that Steven Meads shiny gold Prestige does the same, or Steven doesn’t move it all the way back… I knocked it once and I haven’t found it an issue since but, I notice your holding position with the Sinfonico is as if you have the trigger, with the thumb at the ready, that slightly higher position might knock the 4th valve cover, if the Sinfonico was your only instrument you might make a conscious adjustment.

        I have also had lacquer wear off, but from the 1st valve knuckle where my thumb rests, I thought it was my body chemistry, but it must be lacking a few layers in places if it’s happened on another instrument but in a different place?

        I was gonna get the knuckle silver plated, as the silver doesn’t seem to wear, figured 30 -50 quid was cheaper than 3k to get a “upgrade” to a Neo/Besson.

        Lovely playing, are you using any special equipment to record? Or just a phone etc.

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        • guidocorona
          Senior Member
          • Jun 2018
          • 483

          #5
          Hi Doug, thank you for your excellent and truly enlightening review of Sinfonico!

          I listened to your live clip using my Plantronic USB headset. I can detect slight tonal differences with the Sterling, where Sinfonico might sound very slightly grainy/nasal compared to Sterling, and in the Exhibition and Boheme fragments, Sinfonico's tone thins out at the top of the range.

          On the other hand, I must remember that Sinfonico is priced approximately half as much as of Sterling or Shires.

          Any chance of you Doug recording a couple of comparative clips of Sinfonico with some other worthy MPs... E.g. SM4U, DC4, 51D, etc?.... Such a comparative clip might give us a better idea of Sinfonico's tonal potential/flexibility under different conditions.

          Once again, thank you Doug for the fab review!

          Best regards, Guido
          M5050L - DC2&3, SM2&4U, BT16, Carbonaria Heavy & New
          Wessex EP104 Festivo - available
          Carolbrass CCR7772 Bb cornet - Available

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          • Richard III
            Member
            • Nov 2019
            • 142

            #6
            I find the Sinfonico to be uncomfortably nasal in its tone when listening to all of the reviewers. Maybe it is my ears. Yes, I've listened using both ear buds and good quality speakers. So the question is, what are the mouthpieces everyone used? I know Doug used the 4AL.

            Part of the reason I ask this is because I've been trying out my new Eastman baritone with different mouthpieces. Recording myself has yielded surprises and reinforced that we need to have many mouthpieces when trying a new instrument. Our old favorite may just not work with the new horn.
            Richard


            King 1130 Flugabone
            King 2280 Euphonium
            King 10J Tuba
            Conn 22B Trumpet

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            • daruby
              Moderator
              • Apr 2006
              • 2217

              #7
              Regarding mouthpiece choices, I stuck with the 4AL because I have the most experience with it and wanted to control the variables in my evaluation. Given more time, I would worked with various mouthpieces. My possibilities would have been SM4X, 4AL, Alliance E3, Bach 5G, and a new to me Mercer-Barker MB5. I did use a Wick 4AY with the tenor shank receiver to see what the difference was compared with the 4AL and the large shank. I did use the MB5 a bit but it didn't sound as nice as the 4AL.
              Adams E3 0.60 Sterling bell - Prototype top sprung valves
              Concord Band
              Winchendon Winds
              Townsend Military Band

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              • guidocorona
                Senior Member
                • Jun 2018
                • 483

                #8
                Thank you Doug for chiming back.... Any chance of persuading you to record some comparative clips with some of those MPs, before you send on Festivo to the next reviewer?

                While your long term familiarity with 4AL might be marginally manifest in a few situations, the other mouthpieces might very well reveal unique tonal nuggets of Sinfonico.

                Saluti, Guido
                M5050L - DC2&3, SM2&4U, BT16, Carbonaria Heavy & New
                Wessex EP104 Festivo - available
                Carolbrass CCR7772 Bb cornet - Available

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                • daruby
                  Moderator
                  • Apr 2006
                  • 2217

                  #9
                  Originally posted by guidocorona View Post
                  Thank you Doug for chiming back.... Any chance of persuading you to record some comparative clips with some of those MPs, before you send on Festivo to the next reviewer?
                  Guido, so sorry. The Sinfonico departed 2 days ago. It is on its way to our fearless leader, Dave Werden. Doug
                  Adams E3 0.60 Sterling bell - Prototype top sprung valves
                  Concord Band
                  Winchendon Winds
                  Townsend Military Band

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                  • guidocorona
                    Senior Member
                    • Jun 2018
                    • 483

                    #10
                    Oh well.... Perhaps 'tis now time for me to start pestering Dave Werden about including multiple MPs in his final review in the Sinfonico road show.


                    How about it, Dave... Perhaps 4AL, DC3, DC4, maybe also SM4U?

                    Regards.... Guido
                    (A.K.A. The usual Pest)
                    M5050L - DC2&3, SM2&4U, BT16, Carbonaria Heavy & New
                    Wessex EP104 Festivo - available
                    Carolbrass CCR7772 Bb cornet - Available

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                    • davewerden
                      Administrator
                      • Nov 2005
                      • 11138

                      #11
                      Originally posted by guidocorona View Post
                      Oh well.... Perhaps 'tis now time for me to start pestering Dave Werden about including multiple MPs in his final review in the Sinfonico road show.


                      How about it, Dave... Perhaps 4AL, DC3, DC4, maybe also SM4U?

                      Regards.... Guido
                      (A.K.A. The usual Pest)
                      Um, probably not! I just don't have the time to quadruple the comparisons (especially when you count compiling the videos, which actually takes longer than the playing part for the way I like to do them). Also, for my testing I think I need to be comfortable with the mouthpiece to feel like I am getting the best from each horn. Certainly some horns are more suited to a larger/smaller/deeper/shallower cup than others, so such a test would be helpful.

                      If it's any consolation, I'll be using the DC4 for my tests. That is slightly smaller and more focused than the 4AL.
                      Dave Werden (ASCAP)
                      Euphonium Soloist, U.S. Coast Guard Band, retired
                      Adams Artist (Adams E3)
                      Alliance Mouthpiece DC3, Wick 4AL, Wick 4ABL
                      YouTube: dwerden
                      Facebook: davewerden
                      Twitter: davewerden
                      Instagram: davewerdeneuphonium

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                      • Jharris
                        Member
                        • Jun 2021
                        • 61

                        #12
                        I started using a DC3 and a sm4xr and wasn’t happy with my tone on the higher range, on either the imperial then the Sinfonico but swapping to a SM3 original has improved my tone and flexibility with range.

                        We do loose frequency response with age on the top and bottom extremes, my hearing isn’t the same as it was when I was at Uni in my early 20s and I know it’s different now I am in my mid 30s…
                        I am already scared about what the next few decades will do to my hearing… I hope it’s like eyesight which I am told by my optician stabilises for years in your 30s…


                        When you say nasal I think of Chandlers GF Janice, OH MY GOD! That’s nasally… goodness know what your hearing to use that particular adjective for tone/timbre… warm, dark, cold, thick, thin, dull brilliant…

                        So when I say a bigger mouthpiece created a darker tone on the higher range, because I found the size 4 (26mm) mouthpieces too thin on notes above the treble clef stave for my playing preference, I would hope that translates clearer. But it might not…(shrug)

                        Someone else’s embouchure might have a lovely dark tone above the stave on a 51D, as we are all different… enjoy the mouthpiece safari…

                        The brass for the Sinfonico is 70/30 so when compared to the Stirling red brass bell at 80/20 will provide a different tone, not as dark. Then you are back to preferences…

                        I loved the Stirling tone, but it always sounded dark no matter what you played, whereas in my humble experience the Bessons/Wessex have a touch more flexibility to adjust the tone to the music… at the expense of achieving a Batman timbre (the darkest, richest tone) when you might really desire it.

                        Feeling very reassured that these top tier players are having a favourable experience with the Sinfonico and offering very similar feedback on the instruments quirks, as long as we all are remembering that no instrument, no matter the cost, is ever going to be 100% perfect.

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                        • daruby
                          Moderator
                          • Apr 2006
                          • 2217

                          #13
                          JHarris...all good points.

                          BTW, I am 70 years old and I have been playing euphonium for 61 years. My hearing is non-existent above about 2kHz - 2.5kHz and has been that way since my mid-20s. Not only does your hearing change, but your embouchure changes as you age. For years I loved the fact that I could bring out a "shimmer" and pleasing vibrato in my high range at higher volumes, kind of the way Dave Childs does. I felt I could always make pleasing sounds anywhere in the tessitura of the euphonium at most dynamic ranges. At age 53, I got really serious and started studying with a professional and practicing as part of recovery from a heart attack. My playing got much stronger to the point that I was performing with some really good musicians here in the US and in the UK. In the last few years (2-3) this has changed and there is no doubt that my high range and my endurance is getting weaker. Also, my vision degradation means my sight reading is much worse.

                          As a result, I depend on trying to play with better habits (breathing, posture, phrasing), tricks (sneaking breaths, very bright stand lights, etc.), and trying to have the very best equipment that suits my increasingly narrow "power band". For this purpose, the Sterling suits me well as does my Adams. I continue to use the 4AL because it suits me (40+ years) but have recently found the MB5 has a similar feel to the 4AL but gives me just a bit more control over vibrato and strength in the high range.

                          All of this is to say that even in the declination of performing years, I still enjoy performing and am delighted to be able to evaluate new instruments based on my own unique requirements.

                          Doug
                          Adams E3 0.60 Sterling bell - Prototype top sprung valves
                          Concord Band
                          Winchendon Winds
                          Townsend Military Band

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                          • guidocorona
                            Senior Member
                            • Jun 2018
                            • 483

                            #14
                            Thank you Dave, I am looking forward to your EP600 review, and listening to you playing Sinfonico with your DC4

                            Saluti, Guido
                            M5050L - DC2&3, SM2&4U, BT16, Carbonaria Heavy & New
                            Wessex EP104 Festivo - available
                            Carolbrass CCR7772 Bb cornet - Available

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                            • John Morgan
                              Moderator
                              • Apr 2014
                              • 1885

                              #15
                              Nice review, Doug!! Very thorough as you usually are. I did not have the longer tuning slide (a different horn from the other three reviewers), but I would have prefered that one over the shorter tuning slide.

                              I found the width of the Sinfonico to be about the same (fits in my K&M stand also without adjustment from my Adams), but I did find the horn to be smaller when viewed from the side (not sure how you characterize that dimension).

                              Someone asked about what mouthpieces the reviewers used. I used my Warburton Demondrae Thurmon signature mouthpiece exclusively for the entire review. And for the comparison reviews as well.

                              Again, nice job Doug, and the talking and playing part was nice as well. I need to say a few words sometime so people know I can talk and not look grumpy all the time (which is what I seem to look like on the recent videos!).

                              Anxious to hear your report, Dave.
                              John Morgan
                              The U.S. Army Band (Pershing's Own) 1971-1976
                              Adams E3 Custom Series Euphonium, 1956 B&H Imperial Euphonium,
                              1973 F. E. Olds & Son Studio Model T-31 Baritone
                              Adams TB1 Tenor Trombone, Yamaha YBL-822G Bass Trombone
                              Year Round Except Summer:
                              Kingdom of the Sun (KOS) Concert Band, Ocala, FL (Euphonium)
                              KOS Brass Quintet (Trombone, Euphonium)
                              Summer Only:
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                              Rapid City New Horizons Band (Euphonium)

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