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Dave Werden (ASCAP)
Euphonium Soloist, U.S. Coast Guard Band, retired
Adams Artist (Adams E3)
Alliance Mouthpiece DC3, Wick 4AL, Wick 4ABL
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Originally posted by davewerden View PostIt was double. I'm working every day to speed up my single tongue, but that is a very slow process. There is no way I could single tongue even at this speed, especially on the 6-note series!
Okay, now back on topic. WHICH MOUTHPIECES DID YOU USE, DAVE????John Morgan
The U.S. Army Band (Pershing's Own) 1971-1976
Adams E3 Custom Series Euphonium, 1956 B&H Imperial Euphonium,1973 F. E. Olds & Son Studio Model T-31 BaritoneAdams TB1 Tenor Trombone, Yamaha YBL-822G Bass Trombone
Year Round Except Summer:Kingdom of the Sun (KOS) Concert Band, Ocala, FL (Euphonium)Summer Only:
KOS Brass Quintet (Trombone, Euphonium)Rapid City Municipal Band, Rapid City, SD (Euphonium)
Rapid City New Horizons Band (Euphonium)
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Originally posted by John Morgan View PostOkay, now back on topic. WHICH MOUTHPIECES DID YOU USE, DAVE????
BTW, this recording was made at the end of a rehearsal where we worked on the Arpeggione and Czardas. Then we learned the piano tuner was waiting in the hall outside the sanctuary to get in for the piano (in case you didn't notice from the recording, the piano is IN NEED). So it was a rush job and I was a bit tired. As such, I know I was not playing as consistently as I wanted. When I re-listen I'll combine my memory of that with the comments and see if there is some alignment.Dave Werden (ASCAP)
Euphonium Soloist, U.S. Coast Guard Band, retired
Adams Artist (Adams E3)
Alliance Mouthpiece DC3, Wick 4AL, Wick 4ABL
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Red: Warmer and somewhat veiled, Blue: Cooler with more presence and brilliance in the attack.
I thought blue served Czardas well, while the warmth of red was just right for the Holst.
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Blue all the way. You are so much more dynamic, more musical. You color the tone more with blue than red as needed and it seems more open and vibrant. It suggests a familiarity with blue that isn't there with red, but the lower notes seem to speak better on blue also. I noticed one or two intonation things on blue that weren't there on red but it was minor and the expressiveness shown with blue is way worth whatever minor intonation tradeoff.Adams E3 0.6 with SS Bell
K&G 3.5D
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Founder and Solo Euphonium
San Francisco Brass Band
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Originally posted by JakeGuilbo View PostBlue all the way. You are so much more dynamic, more musical. You color the tone more with blue than red as needed and it seems more open and vibrant. It suggests a familiarity with blue that isn't there with red, but the lower notes seem to speak better on blue also. I noticed one or two intonation things on blue that weren't there on red but it was minor and the expressiveness shown with blue is way worth whatever minor intonation tradeoff.
Sooooo, that brought about 2 compromises to my normal testing process. First, I'm using music I can't be sure to play consistently from one take to the next. And second, it necessitated repeatedly going back & forth between the two mouthpiece, which I don't like to do. My normal process is to warm up on one, play all the excerpts, then warm up on the other and play all the excerpts. In that case, I have a lot of rearranging to do on the recording so each excerpt is presented as A/B. That process helps me stay "in the groove" with a mouthpiece. Constant swapping means you are a bit off balance at all times.
My goal at some point is to take all this input and listen to the recordings myself once more. I can make allowances for my own unevenness, for example, and I will probably do a few intonation check to see if the mouthpieces contributed to any pitch differences.Dave Werden (ASCAP)
Euphonium Soloist, U.S. Coast Guard Band, retired
Adams Artist (Adams E3)
Alliance Mouthpiece DC3, Wick 4AL, Wick 4ABL
YouTube: dwerden
Facebook: davewerden
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I was feeling a bit in the minority opinion with red so I went back to listen with some better headphones. For full disclosure my first listen was just on my phone speakers. People have made some good points about blue, and I did agree that what I initially heard as edge is better described as lively.
It is close for me but I still think overall I prefer red, even though they both have their shining moments. For me it comes down to red sounding a bit more pure to my ear and more at ease in a way that I enjoy.
I could see times where getting a little bit more sparkle/zing out of red would have been nice. There were moments where the liveliness of blue was great, so keep them both!1976 Besson 3-valve New Standard, DE102/I/I8
1969 Conn 88H, Schilke 51
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I'm with Jake.
I prefer Blue in nearly all aspects; you sound more present, articulations are clearer, and your accuracy seems better. Maybe that's a product of familiarity, but you'll have to be the judge of that!
Originally posted by JakeGuilbo View PostBlue all the way. You are so much more dynamic, more musical. You color the tone more with blue than red as needed and it seems more open and vibrant. It suggests a familiarity with blue that isn't there with red, but the lower notes seem to speak better on blue also. I noticed one or two intonation things on blue that weren't there on red but it was minor and the expressiveness shown with blue is way worth whatever minor intonation tradeoff.Mike Taylor
Illinois Brass Band
Fox Valley Brass Band
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Originally posted by davewerden View PostI'm seriously testing a new mouthpiece and I'd like some opinions if you have a spare 3 minutes and 44 seconds. I only identify them with RED and BLUE. Opinions are welcome!
https://youtu.be/OAhyWsIw0EQ
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I prefer the "RED" mouthpiece. It sounds warmer and has a more classic euphonium sound. (I suspect this to be the 4AL). The Blue one sounds brighter to my ears but with clearer articulation but is has the same basic sound concept as the RED.
If I would need to guess then the BLUE mouthpiece could be an Alliance David Childs mouthpiece or some SS mouthpiece If I listen to David Childs playing older recordings (on a 4AL) or newer on the DC3 I hear similar differences as in this comparison.Euphonium: Adams E3 Custom Series (SS Bell)
Trombone: Benge 175F
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