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    Questions!

    I'm not really that new to euphonium, but I've been on a break since June, as I've focused on tuba. I own a Mack euphonium, and was looking for a setup oriented more towards a tuba player. Some may object to the idea of the tuba rim euphonium cup sort of thing, but I just want something that would fit me well. I was thinking something with a bigger bore, such as the Miraphone M5050, or the Wessex Sinfonico, as the 4th valve bore is huge. I'd assume no matter what, the compensating sound is more appropriate, but if it's not, I'd like to learn. Maybe even the French C Tuba is the direction I should go? Doubtful, but I'm open to any option!
    Toby Simard
    Mack EU1150S - Denis Wick SM2U
    M&M 5 Valve CC Tuba - Helleberg 120S

  2. For many tuba players, something like the Willson/Marzan 2975 seems a good idea since it and the Wessex Festivo both have lean to the left/front action compensating designs. I personally often play tuba parts in pitch in community band on either my Adams E3 or my Sterling Virtuoso using a Bach 1.5G bass trombone mouthpiece.

    I know that Mike Roylance of the BSO plays the euphonium parts on Planets, Mahler #?, and a couple of other symphonic pieces using a Yamaha 642 (don't know the mouthpiece). He hires a freelance tuba player most of the time instead of a euphonium player.

    Doug
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    I have no worry with whether the valves are forward or not, I just want it to play really well! I also saw that Yamaha made several Eb "Euphoniums" at some point.
    http://www.euphstudy.com/internation...ph/myeuph.html
    I found it here. I would like something like that eventually as well. Alto euphonium/tuba could be great for tuba/euph ensembles!
    Toby Simard
    Mack EU1150S - Denis Wick SM2U
    M&M 5 Valve CC Tuba - Helleberg 120S

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    Quote Originally Posted by daruby View Post
    For many tuba players, something like the Willson/Marzan 2975 seems a good idea since it and the Wessex Festivo both have lean to the left/front action compensating designs. I personally often play tuba parts in pitch in community band on either my Adams E3 or my Sterling Virtuoso using a Bach 1.5G bass trombone mouthpiece.

    I know that Mike Roylance of the BSO plays the euphonium parts on Planets, Mahler #?, and a couple of other symphonic pieces using a Yamaha 642 (don't know the mouthpiece). He hires a freelance tuba player most of the time instead of a euphonium player.

    Doug
    I have no worry with whether the valves are forward or not, I just want it to play really well! I also saw that Yamaha made several Eb "Euphoniums" at some point.
    http://www.euphstudy.com/internation...ph/myeuph.html
    I found it here. I would like something like that eventually as well. Alto euphonium/tuba could be great for tuba/euph ensembles!
    Toby Simard
    Mack EU1150S - Denis Wick SM2U
    M&M 5 Valve CC Tuba - Helleberg 120S

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    For the French tuba rout, you may want to consider the 6-valved Wessex French Tuba TC236P. It lists for $2525 at:

    https://wessex-tubas.com/collections...h-c-tuba-tc236

    This horn appears to be in stock right now.

    Keep us posted!

    G.
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    Quote Originally Posted by guidocorona View Post
    For the French tuba rout, you may want to consider the 6-valved Wessex French Tuba TC236P. It lists for $2525 at:

    https://wessex-tubas.com/collections...h-c-tuba-tc236

    This horn appears to be in stock right now.

    Keep us posted!

    G.
    Would you recommend a French Tuba, Euphonium or some German design Kaiser Baritone thing? Thanks! I'm not sure which would be best for general use.
    Toby Simard
    Mack EU1150S - Denis Wick SM2U
    M&M 5 Valve CC Tuba - Helleberg 120S

  7. I have to admit that I don't really understand the o.p. As I read the post they are primarily a Tuba player and want a Euphonium that plays like a Tuba or as much like a Tuba as possible ... ... from the little I know about it, that seems like an ill advised objective. I am not sure of what you would hope to get out of such a horn. A Euphonium played with a giant mouthpiece won't sound it's best. A giant Euphonium like a Miraphone M5050 sounds interesting but I find myself agreeing with an earlier poster that a Wessex French C Tuba might be what you should look into. Since you already play a C Tuba it would (seem to) be a natural extension upwards. But what about becoming a high note specialist on your CC? Play the Euph literature at pitch! Think of the money you will save not having to buy that French C? I see nothing but win here ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by leisesturm View Post
    I have to admit that I don't really understand the o.p. As I read the post they are primarily a Tuba player and want a Euphonium that plays like a Tuba or as much like a Tuba as possible ... ... from the little I know about it, that seems like an ill advised objective. I am not sure of what you would hope to get out of such a horn. A Euphonium played with a giant mouthpiece won't sound it's best. A giant Euphonium like a Miraphone M5050 sounds interesting but I find myself agreeing with an earlier poster that a Wessex French C Tuba might be what you should look into. Since you already play a C Tuba it would (seem to) be a natural extension upwards. But what about becoming a high note specialist on your CC? Play the Euph literature at pitch! Think of the money you will save not having to buy that French C? I see nothing but win here ...
    I think the brighter sound of the Euphonium/French C Tuba (Whichever I end up choosing) is a big part of why I want one. The C Tuba isn't that bright at all. It's huge and dark, and I want to play those Tenor Tuba excerpts!
    Toby Simard
    Mack EU1150S - Denis Wick SM2U
    M&M 5 Valve CC Tuba - Helleberg 120S

  9. Quote Originally Posted by tobysimard View Post
    I think the brighter sound of the Euphonium/French C Tuba (Whichever I end up choosing) is a big part of why I want one. The C Tuba isn't that bright at all. It's huge and dark, and I want to play those Tenor Tuba excerpts!
    I rarely play symphonic tenor tuba parts since I come from the 60 years of wind band tradition and have acquired brass band chops in the last 12+ years. I did do a Bartok tenor tuba piece this last year with the New England Philharmonic. My main experience in the Boston area (which is absolutely a symphonic town) is based on observing Mike Roylance, tubist for the BSO. Mike is a Yamaha artist.

    For Bydlo, Mike plays an F tuba. While I prefer the sound of a "tenor tuba", he has the chops to play the part. This also means he doesn't have to hire a sub. For the tenor tuba parts in Bartok, Mahler, Strauss and Janacek, he plays his Yamaha 642 euphonium, perhaps with a second when it requires 2 tenor tubas. For Planets, he also plays euphonium. Mike is a strong euphonium player who plays with a very large sound, (though not pretty in a classical sense). I know of one instance when Mike called in Gail Robertson to play euphonium. He has access to many professional tubists, so his typical bass or contrabass tuba parts are covered that way. I have not seen a case where the tenor or bass trombone players second on euphonium, though it may happen.

    AFAIK, when Wagnerian Tubas are called for, the performances are done by members of the french horn section or free lance horn subs. The Janacek Sinfonietta is a case where it requires so many "tuba" players of all forms that that there is enough to go around.
    Adams E3 0.60 Sterling bell - Prototype top sprung valves
    Concord Band
    Winchendon Winds
    Townsend Military Band

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    Quote Originally Posted by daruby View Post
    I rarely play symphonic tenor tuba parts since I come from the 60 years of wind band tradition and have acquired brass band chops in the last 12+ years. I did do a Bartok tenor tuba piece this last year with the New England Philharmonic. My main experience in the Boston area (which is absolutely a symphonic town) is based on observing Mike Roylance, tubist for the BSO. Mike is a Yamaha artist.

    For Bydlo, Mike plays an F tuba. While I prefer the sound of a "tenor tuba", he has the chops to play the part. This also means he doesn't have to hire a sub. For the tenor tuba parts in Bartok, Mahler, Strauss and Janacek, he plays his Yamaha 642 euphonium, perhaps with a second when it requires 2 tenor tubas. For Planets, he also plays euphonium. Mike is a strong euphonium player who plays with a very large sound, (though not pretty in a classical sense). I know of one instance when Mike called in Gail Robertson to play euphonium. He has access to many professional tubists, so his typical bass or contrabass tuba parts are covered that way. I have not seen a case where the tenor or bass trombone players second on euphonium, though it may happen.

    AFAIK, when Wagnerian Tubas are called for, the performances are done by members of the french horn section or free lance horn subs. The Janacek Sinfonietta is a case where it requires so many "tuba" players of all forms that that there is enough to go around.
    Pictures is in my opinion also a "Just do it on F tuba" sort of thing. I want an instrument for things like Ein Heldenleben, Don Quixote, The Planets (That's what I can name off the top of my head), and for tuba ensembles. I'm just not sure if a compensating euphonium or a French C Tuba is more appropriate for that.
    Toby Simard
    Mack EU1150S - Denis Wick SM2U
    M&M 5 Valve CC Tuba - Helleberg 120S

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