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  1. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by tobysimard View Post
    This is EXACTLY the type of sound I'm striving for!
    You and me both! Personally I have a long way to go haha.

  2. Quote Originally Posted by tobysimard View Post
    I think the brighter sound of the Euphonium/French C Tuba (Whichever I end up choosing) is a big part of why I want one. The C Tuba isn't that bright at all. It's huge and dark, and I want to play those Tenor Tuba excerpts!
    I rarely play symphonic tenor tuba parts since I come from the 60 years of wind band tradition and have acquired brass band chops in the last 12+ years. I did do a Bartok tenor tuba piece this last year with the New England Philharmonic. My main experience in the Boston area (which is absolutely a symphonic town) is based on observing Mike Roylance, tubist for the BSO. Mike is a Yamaha artist.

    For Bydlo, Mike plays an F tuba. While I prefer the sound of a "tenor tuba", he has the chops to play the part. This also means he doesn't have to hire a sub. For the tenor tuba parts in Bartok, Mahler, Strauss and Janacek, he plays his Yamaha 642 euphonium, perhaps with a second when it requires 2 tenor tubas. For Planets, he also plays euphonium. Mike is a strong euphonium player who plays with a very large sound, (though not pretty in a classical sense). I know of one instance when Mike called in Gail Robertson to play euphonium. He has access to many professional tubists, so his typical bass or contrabass tuba parts are covered that way. I have not seen a case where the tenor or bass trombone players second on euphonium, though it may happen.

    AFAIK, when Wagnerian Tubas are called for, the performances are done by members of the french horn section or free lance horn subs. The Janacek Sinfonietta is a case where it requires so many "tuba" players of all forms that that there is enough to go around.
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  3. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by daruby View Post
    I rarely play symphonic tenor tuba parts since I come from the 60 years of wind band tradition and have acquired brass band chops in the last 12+ years. I did do a Bartok tenor tuba piece this last year with the New England Philharmonic. My main experience in the Boston area (which is absolutely a symphonic town) is based on observing Mike Roylance, tubist for the BSO. Mike is a Yamaha artist.

    For Bydlo, Mike plays an F tuba. While I prefer the sound of a "tenor tuba", he has the chops to play the part. This also means he doesn't have to hire a sub. For the tenor tuba parts in Bartok, Mahler, Strauss and Janacek, he plays his Yamaha 642 euphonium, perhaps with a second when it requires 2 tenor tubas. For Planets, he also plays euphonium. Mike is a strong euphonium player who plays with a very large sound, (though not pretty in a classical sense). I know of one instance when Mike called in Gail Robertson to play euphonium. He has access to many professional tubists, so his typical bass or contrabass tuba parts are covered that way. I have not seen a case where the tenor or bass trombone players second on euphonium, though it may happen.

    AFAIK, when Wagnerian Tubas are called for, the performances are done by members of the french horn section or free lance horn subs. The Janacek Sinfonietta is a case where it requires so many "tuba" players of all forms that that there is enough to go around.
    Pictures is in my opinion also a "Just do it on F tuba" sort of thing. I want an instrument for things like Ein Heldenleben, Don Quixote, The Planets (That's what I can name off the top of my head), and for tuba ensembles. I'm just not sure if a compensating euphonium or a French C Tuba is more appropriate for that.
    Toby Simard
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  4. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by aroberts781 View Post
    You and me both! Personally I have a long way to go haha.
    I definitely couldn't get anywhere close even if I tried!!
    Toby Simard
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    M&M 5 Valve CC Tuba - Helleberg 120S

  5. #15
    I would recommend a Mack EU1150S with a Denis Wick SM4U for everything you want to play in the euphonium/tenor tuba repertoire.

  6. Quote Originally Posted by tobysimard View Post
    I think the brighter sound of the Euphonium/French C Tuba (Whichever I end up choosing) is a big part of why I want one. The C Tuba isn't that bright at all. It's huge and dark, and I want to play those Tenor Tuba excerpts!
    With respect. This is even harder to understand than your original post. Here is a little info about a Couesnon French C Tuba. It has a pretty large bore compared to your typical Euphonium, but the bell is no larger than the average Bb Euph. In fact the bell on my Besson clone is as close to 12" as matters. Here is the Wessex French C Tuba another poster mentioned. I don't know ... I don't think "huge and dark" is going to be a characteristic of either instrument compared to a regular Euphonium. Having six valves will undoubtedly aid the French Tuba in exploring the lower range of the instrument without the need for a compensation mechanism but the fingering will be rather more complicated. In any case, the reason why I think you should consider the C Tuba, is the same reason why if I decided to play Tuba I would probably pick a BBb vs a CC: I am more innately familiar with the harmonic series of the instrument I already play. Do not discount the home court advantage of already playing a C instrument. The sonic differences are a wash, I think.
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by tobysimard View Post
    I want an instrument for things like Ein Heldenleben, Don Quixote, The Planets (That's what I can name off the top of my head), and for tuba ensembles. I'm just not sure if a compensating euphonium or a French C Tuba is more appropriate for that.
    If this is actually your question, then, no, a French C Tuba is not appropriate for these uses (but when does that ever stop anyone). Especially the British (Planets) and the Tuba/Euph ensemble repertoire, the expectation will be a Bb Euphonium, compensating or not. As I understand it, the Mack Brass compensating Bb euphonium has its fans, but there are alternatives.
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    Here is an interesting demonstration_ comparison of the bass parts played with a French tuba.

    https://youtu.be/313HdaUj0iE

    https://youtu.be/HGIux_7_baA
    Last edited by franz; 12-06-2020 at 04:01 AM.
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  9. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by leisesturm View Post
    If this is actually your question, then, no, a French C Tuba is not appropriate for these uses (but when does that ever stop anyone). Especially the British (Planets) and the Tuba/Euph ensemble repertoire, the expectation will be a Bb Euphonium, compensating or not. As I understand it, the Mack Brass compensating Bb euphonium has its fans, but there are alternatives.
    I own a Mack, and it's pretty solid. If Bb euph is the way to go, I may want to optimize the setup with a really nice mouthpiece.
    Toby Simard
    Mack EU1150S - Denis Wick SM2U
    M&M 5 Valve CC Tuba - Helleberg 120S

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