So considering the 956 has such a poor reputation, then either the 144 or 2056 will be a big step change improvement over what I’m used to?
So considering the 956 has such a poor reputation, then either the 144 or 2056 will be a big step change improvement over what I’m used to?
Hi Howellsimon,
Unless you're regularly playing music that goes below low F# (treble clef) on Baritone, you might do well to consider a 3-valve compensating baritone. They tend to have a better reputation overall for playability and tuning. And, in the case of Wessex, you'd be paying $400 less for the three-valve.
Hi, I play on a 956, having bought it from Quinn the Eskimo in 2017 for $2745, it was in mint condition.
Below is a link to a video for a solo competition where I used the horn.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2a8KUSf79yc
As the other posts already said, it hasn't got great ergonomics, and the 4th valve is pretty much useless, intonation is quirky, BUT it still sounds and feels like a Besson Sovereign.
(I've had the 1st and 3rd slides cut, and often have to swap the tuning slide with the longer 4th valve slide to get it to play in tune in warm weather).
Prior to buying this horn I was playing a Wessex 3 valve which I bought for 570gbp (plus 120gbp for shipping). Intonation on this horn was hard work, but believe it or not lefreque plates helped. The horn itself, and the valves felt flimsy and the metal feels hollow and light. The sound wasn't anything special (lefreque plates did give it more focus),
If I was to do more baritone playing (I spend 90% of my time on euph) then I would sell the 956, throw in another $2000 to get a 3 valve Sovereign (German made) or Neo.
The Prestige I tried in 2009 was absolutely fantastic in every way, just too dark for my taste (and I'll admit that I like the baritone sound brighter than most people).
I have not tried the Wessex 4 valve, so I will not comment.
2007 Besson Prestige 2052, 3D+ K&G mouthpiece; JP373 baritone, 4B modified K&G mouthpiece; Bach 42GO trombone, T4C K&G mouthpiece; 1973 Besson New Standard 3 compensated valves, 3D+ K&G modified mouthpiece; Wessex French C tuba, 3D+ K&G modified mouthpiece.
I bought the very first 2056 sold in the US in 2008 and played that until I sold it to get my Neo in 2016. Prior to that I used a borrowed York 3056 (made using 956 tooling) for about a year, and the first player in the band I played with for over 10 years used a 956 which I tried on many occasions. I honestly don't remember exactly what specifically my intonation challenges were with the 3056/956 other than the fact that anything in the cis-pedal register with 4th valve plus any other valve is not easily useable.
On the 2056, the main alternate fingerings I used were (Bb treble clef terms):
fourth-line D - 1 + 3
B above the staff - 1 + 2 (the traditional 2nd valve fingering here was VERY flat)
I don't recall having to use more than a tiny bit of lipping for A on the first ledger line above the staff. Keep in mind that not every example of these instruments has exactly the same tendencies, and mouthpiece choice tends to complicate things, too.
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Barry
By the way, the dislike of the 956 isn't completely universal. Helen Harrelson I know plays a 956 even though Besson gave her a 2056 to use as well, and she's an amazing player.
The Neo is where it's at!!
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Barry
Thanks to everyone for thoughts, comments and suggestions. Lots and lots for me to think about.
I like the 4v set up for ease of playing. I don’t use the 4v low range - as the 1st bari line is typically quite high, isn’t it?
So the 4th valve is only useful because my fingers from 1-3 to 2 and back (for instance in basin st blues) is tricky for my fat, old fingers...
So...... I really don’t know where I’m at now.
I fully understand that everyone is pretty much agreed that the 3v is better in both play and intonation.
So from what you have all said, a three valve shoot out would appear to give top three (not in order necessarily) as Yamaha neo, besson 955 or 1050 Sterling.
So..... 4v for the times when 4th valve helps finger a tricky passage or the easier play and tuning of a 3v??????!
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Yeah, there isn't much call in a brass band for the extended range. I know that The Devil in the Deep Blue Sea has some low Fs but you could easily just fake it and nobody would notice. Ellerby Baritone Concerto has some extended range in it, too. But where I think it comes in handy is solo literature. There just isn't too much written for solo baritone literature, although the situation is getting better rapidly. But having 4 valves helps you borrow euphonium, bassoon, cello literature.
With regards to technique, I really like having 4 valves, too. I made the point to Katrina Marzella Wheeler that I thought it was easier to play highly technical stuff with 4 valves and she pointed out to me that cornet players manage just fine which shut me up really quickly!
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Barry
So, just to update.....
Following everyone’s advice and suggestions, I am visiting a local music store at the weekend to trial a 955, 2056, Neo and a Sterling 1050 back to back...
I’ll let you know how it goes......
Thanks again. Simon