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Thread: Wick 4AL - Demondrae Warburton - K&G 3.5D Comparisons - Videos

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    Wick 4AL - Demondrae Warburton - K&G 3.5D Comparisons - Videos

    Okay, Dave started this so I got motivated to compare a couple more mouthpieces. My two videos compare the Wick 4AL with the Warburton Demondrae Thurman Signature mouthpiece and the Wick 4AL with the K&G 3.5D mouthpiece. Just for reference the specs on these three mouthpieces:

    Wick 4AL: Diameter: 26.00 mm, Rim Width: 6.72 mm, Bore: 7.38 mm
    Warburton: Diameter: 26.16 mm, Rim Width: 7.50 mm, Bore: 7.37 mm
    K&G 3.5D: Diameter: 26.40 mm, Rim Width: ??* Bore: ??*

    * - K&G says medium wide rim and no information on bore

    The Wick vs Warburton video is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hau0bWfJhCY

    The Wick vs K&G 3.5D video is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSmWlGcBZl4

    The cup of the Warburton is larger than the Wick for sure. With my old ears, it is hard to hear clear distinctions in sound with these three pieces. Danny Boy seems to allow me to hear subtle differences better than the other two excerpts. But I will let you judge. I did the best I could to get a good sounding recording.

    Edit: I added the K&G 3.5D vs Warburton video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCAoREm5wcI
    Last edited by John Morgan; 08-08-2020 at 10:13 PM.
    John Morgan
    The U.S. Army Band (Pershing's Own) 1971-1976
    Adams E3 Custom Series Euphonium, Wessex EP-100 Dolce Euphonium, 1956 B&H Imperial Euphonium
    Adams TB1 Tenor Trombone, Yamaha YBL-822G Bass Trombone
    Wessex TE-360 Bombino Eb Tuba
    Rapid City New Horizons & Municipal Bands (Euphonium)
    Black Hills Symphony Orchestra (Bass Trombone), Powder River Symphony, Gillette, WY (Tenor Trombone)
    Black Hills Brass Quintet (Tuba)

  2. Good stuff.
    It's the Warburton for me.

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    Both the K&G & Warburton produced a warmer darker tone than the Wick 4AL.
    I'd be curious to hear the K&G vs the Warburton in the same video.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EuphMan84 View Post
    Both the K&G & Warburton produced a warmer darker tone than the Wick 4AL.
    I'd be curious to hear the K&G vs the Warburton in the same video.
    Coming right up. Give me a little bit to get it done. I will post the K&G vs Warburton in my original post and here, too.

    Here is the requested video (K&G 3.5D vs Warburton): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCAoREm5wcI
    Last edited by John Morgan; 08-08-2020 at 10:14 PM.
    John Morgan
    The U.S. Army Band (Pershing's Own) 1971-1976
    Adams E3 Custom Series Euphonium, Wessex EP-100 Dolce Euphonium, 1956 B&H Imperial Euphonium
    Adams TB1 Tenor Trombone, Yamaha YBL-822G Bass Trombone
    Wessex TE-360 Bombino Eb Tuba
    Rapid City New Horizons & Municipal Bands (Euphonium)
    Black Hills Symphony Orchestra (Bass Trombone), Powder River Symphony, Gillette, WY (Tenor Trombone)
    Black Hills Brass Quintet (Tuba)

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    Nice overtones Mr.Morgan! Honestly it sounds like the K&G 3.5D produces higher overtones and the Warburton seems to be the opposite producing lower overtones, it has to be the K&G 3.5D for me this round.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beef View Post
    Nice overtones Mr.Morgan! Honestly it sounds like the K&G 3.5D produces higher overtones and the Warburton seems to be the opposite producing lower overtones, it has to be the K&G 3.5D for me this round.
    The K&G and Warburton seem pretty similar to me when I listen live as I play. I still can't quite capture on video what I think I am hearing live, but it is getting closer. You might be hearing (with your good ears) some subtle nuances in the recording that these old ears of mine can't quite hear.
    John Morgan
    The U.S. Army Band (Pershing's Own) 1971-1976
    Adams E3 Custom Series Euphonium, Wessex EP-100 Dolce Euphonium, 1956 B&H Imperial Euphonium
    Adams TB1 Tenor Trombone, Yamaha YBL-822G Bass Trombone
    Wessex TE-360 Bombino Eb Tuba
    Rapid City New Horizons & Municipal Bands (Euphonium)
    Black Hills Symphony Orchestra (Bass Trombone), Powder River Symphony, Gillette, WY (Tenor Trombone)
    Black Hills Brass Quintet (Tuba)

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    To my ears the 4AL is preferable, in terms of uniformity of sound and also intonation.

    I would very like to hear something with some low register work to see if my opinion is properly verifiable.
    1983 Boosey & Hawkes Globe Sovereign
    Vincent Bach 4GB

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magikarp View Post
    To my ears the 4AL is preferable, in terms of uniformity of sound and also intonation.

    I would very like to hear something with some low register work to see if my opinion is properly verifiable.
    Okey-dokey. Here is a comparison of the Wick 4AL mouthpiece and the Demondrae Warburton mouthpiece. The tune is "Old Man River" and it covers some of the lower register notes on the euphonium.

    The video is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5djv9s662Lg
    John Morgan
    The U.S. Army Band (Pershing's Own) 1971-1976
    Adams E3 Custom Series Euphonium, Wessex EP-100 Dolce Euphonium, 1956 B&H Imperial Euphonium
    Adams TB1 Tenor Trombone, Yamaha YBL-822G Bass Trombone
    Wessex TE-360 Bombino Eb Tuba
    Rapid City New Horizons & Municipal Bands (Euphonium)
    Black Hills Symphony Orchestra (Bass Trombone), Powder River Symphony, Gillette, WY (Tenor Trombone)
    Black Hills Brass Quintet (Tuba)

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    I stand by my initial opinion. The 4AL produces a more focused, uniform sound to my ears.

    It's a pity the euphonium doesn't play in that register more often. I'd much rather hear sonorous bottom Gs than squealed super As or whatever the current vogue high note is.
    1983 Boosey & Hawkes Globe Sovereign
    Vincent Bach 4GB

  10. The Warburton sounds best to my ears. Just a hint more warmth in the tone.
    I believe that the Warburton excels especially in the high(er) register.
    Perhaps a comparison in that range to add to the discussion?

    Use the Warburton on an E3 myself. (Exact same combo as John). Difference is sound seem subtiel in these videos in playability they feel big to me. Vastly prefer the feel and high range access of the Warburton....

    Nice videos John!

    Did some recordings with a Warburton and a 4AL too. However not in a controlled environment (same mic placement).
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCln...LDvSFBl-57zebw

    like the euph sound on “Gabriella’s song” and “Das Lied vom Tod” (2.08) best. Those are on the Warburton. “Benedictus” is recorded on a 4AL.
    Last edited by DutchEupho; 08-09-2020 at 04:47 PM.

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