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  • Dom
    Member
    • Jul 2020
    • 33

    Triple Tonguing?

    So I've heard that my preferred method of triple tonguing, D G D, is frowned upon and that the "Correct" method is to pronounce D D G. Should I be worried about this or is it personal preference?
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  • davewerden
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    • Nov 2005
    • 11136

    #2
    I first learned DDG (TTK, actually) and that is most comfortable for me. Maybe 20 years ago or so I found that pattern did not work well on certain patterns, so I taught myself how to do DGD also. They each have a place, IMO.

    Many brass solos have triple-tongue passages with 3 of the same note, then 3 of a different note, etc. In that pattern, DDG works better. The "G" is inherently weaker, and having the weak 3rd note helps give a sense of grouping and pulse. But on some arpeggios DGD works better. For example, in treble clef starting on 4th space E, I had to play EGE CEC GCG E__. There, the G attack in the middle seems better.
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    • John Morgan
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      • Apr 2014
      • 1884

      #3
      I, too, learned how to triple tongue using tu-tu-ku as the syllables. I have been able to get pretty fast with this. I agree with Dave on the usefulness of tu-ku-tu with arpeggios like he mentioned. I worked with this approach a little, but eventually pretty much settled on tu-tu-ku, which I believe is faster if you are desiring speed. Maybe Dave can address the speed difference, but I think the mainstream of players use tu-tu-ku.
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      • davewerden
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        • Nov 2005
        • 11136

        #4
        Originally posted by John Morgan View Post
        ...settled on tu-tu-ku, which I believe is faster if you are desiring speed. Maybe Dave can address the speed difference, but I think the mainstream of players use tu-tu-ku.
        I'm not sure how one would scientifically determine which way is quicker. Just like you, I find TTK quicker, but that is what I use most of the time, so...

        Technically, I don't see why one could not go as quickly with TKT. Either way, when you play more than one set in a row you're going to have to single-tongue two notes somewhere in the pattern.
        Dave Werden (ASCAP)
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        • davewerden
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          • Nov 2005
          • 11136

          #5
          Here is a video I did about getting good, solid, clear multiple tonguing:

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_nCefdZRkw

          Dave Werden (ASCAP)
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          • davewerden
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            • Nov 2005
            • 11136

            #6
            And here is a video about going BEYOND the standard use of multiple tongue:

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrjKrLQVVPE

            Dave Werden (ASCAP)
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            • Dom
              Member
              • Jul 2020
              • 33

              #7
              Thank you Dave and John! I did think about the grouping idea with the piece I'm currently practicing there is a large jump on the 2nd note and there is a transition into the next grouping on the 3rd note so I was thinking that TTK would work better in that situation. I will definitely try practicing with TTK!
              Wessex Dolce Euphonium - SM4U
              Jupiter JSL 740 Bass Trombone

              Practice often, Practice well!

              Dom

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