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  • DutchEupho
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2006
    • 231

    Giving the Wick 4AL another chance:

    Why?
    To my ears there is something (almost) magical about the sound I can create on the 4AL. Big, open and resonating are words that come to mind. Also when listening to other performers e.g. David Childs or David Thornton I preferred their sound when they still played the 4AL. (Now DC3 and K&G3.5D)
    If I listen to “older” recordings of David Childs (e.g. Celtic Charm) I prefer that sound to the “newer” sound on the DC3 (e.g. The Symphonic Euphonium Vol. 2) David still has a beautiful sound (don’t get me wrong) but to my ears it’s a bit more focused on power and high range.
    Am I the only one that hears and or feels this way about the 4AL?

    For some reason I always start loving the 4AL when playing it and after some time I feel the need to switch to something else.

    This time I have some major concerts in April and will play the 4AL for at least 4 months.
    Last edited by DutchEupho; 01-07-2020, 01:30 AM.
    Euphonium: Adams E3 Custom Series (SS Bell)
    Trombone: Benge 175F

  • daruby
    Moderator
    • Apr 2006
    • 2217

    #2
    I am back on 4AL on my Adams E3 which I am using in the New England Brass Band. I use my Doug Elliott on my Sterling. The Sterling is a slightly smaller bell (300mm instead of 12") and sound "warmer" with the DE, at the expense of a bit more effort.

    Doug
    Adams E3 0.60 Sterling bell - Prototype top sprung valves
    Concord Band
    Winchendon Winds
    Townsend Military Band

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    • JakeGuilbo
      Senior Member
      • Feb 2006
      • 346

      #3
      Because of the pressure I use, the K&G 3.5D gives me 90% of the Wick singing sound with 200% more endurance. Obviously I'd love to use the 4AL full time, but the K&G for me is a good compromise.
      Adams E3 0.6 with SS Bell
      K&G 3.5D
      ---------------------------------
      Founder and Solo Euphonium
      San Francisco Brass Band

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      • franz
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2015
        • 392

        #4
        I have never tried a DW4AL, but after discovering the K&G mouthpieces I have want I wanted and I don't want to try anything else.
        2007 Besson Prestige 2052, 3D+ K&G mouthpiece; JP373 baritone, 4B modified K&G mouthpiece; Bach 42GO trombone, T4C K&G mouthpiece; 1973 Besson New Standard 3 compensated valves, 3D+ K&G modified mouthpiece; Wessex French C tuba, 3D+ K&G modified mouthpiece.

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        • davewerden
          Administrator
          • Nov 2005
          • 11137

          #5
          I kept coming back to my 4AL, and for several years that is all I have used. I also agree about players who have switched to other mp's (David C being one) not sounding quite as good, tone-wise. HOWEVER, David, to continue using him as an example, used to play a very grueling schedule. Now he has other responsibilities that I assume mean he has fewer hours with a mp on his face. That might lead one to switch to something that sound not quite as good but enables them to keep their professional performance. I have the "luxury" of time to ramp up for gigs, and so far the 4AL is fine. If I get more busy playing in the future, I may need to re-think things.
          Dave Werden (ASCAP)
          Euphonium Soloist, U.S. Coast Guard Band, retired
          Adams Artist (Adams E3)
          Alliance Mouthpiece DC3, Wick 4AL, Wick 4ABL
          YouTube: dwerden
          Facebook: davewerden
          Twitter: davewerden
          Instagram: davewerdeneuphonium

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          • tbonesullivan
            Senior Member
            • Jul 2019
            • 155

            #6
            I just received my own standard Wick 4AL, and I do have to say, I like it. I was using a Hammond 11L, and it just seems to have something that the Hammond doesn't. A Richer tone maybe.
            Sterling / Perantucci 1065HGS Euphonium, 1952 B&H Imperial Eb Tuba, and a bunch of trombones.

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            • Snorlax
              Senior Member
              • Mar 2007
              • 1003

              #7
              I've had dalliances with any number of pieces but always return to the SM 3.5--it's the only one with the cup width of the SM 3 with the cup depth of the SM 4.
              Fits my big mouth better than any other piece I've ever used...and my horn/mouthpiece journey has taken every great circle route detour known to man as well as several heretofore undiscovered dark alleys.
              Jim Williams N9EJR (love 10 meter CW)
              Formerly Principal Euphonium in a whole
              bunch of groups, now just a schlub.
              Shires Q41, Yamaha 321, 621 Baritone
              Wick 4AL, Wessex 4Y, or whatever I grab.
              Conn 50H trombone, Blue P-bone
              www.soundcloud.com/jweuph

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              • highpitch
                Senior Member
                • Mar 2006
                • 1034

                #8
                Said it before, will say it again: MP's are like underwear; we try several before making our choice, and very personal as well.

                DG

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                • Snorlax
                  Senior Member
                  • Mar 2007
                  • 1003

                  #9
                  I'll refrain from re-offering the response
                  I gave the last time
                  to Highpitch's proverb above.
                  Jim Williams N9EJR (love 10 meter CW)
                  Formerly Principal Euphonium in a whole
                  bunch of groups, now just a schlub.
                  Shires Q41, Yamaha 321, 621 Baritone
                  Wick 4AL, Wessex 4Y, or whatever I grab.
                  Conn 50H trombone, Blue P-bone
                  www.soundcloud.com/jweuph

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                  • John Morgan
                    Moderator
                    • Apr 2014
                    • 1885

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Snorlax View Post
                    I'll refrain from re-offering the response
                    I gave the last time
                    to Highpitch's proverb above.
                    Which would that be, the underwear proverb or the "3 notes and the truth" proverb? Alas, I seemed to have missed your original response.
                    John Morgan
                    The U.S. Army Band (Pershing's Own) 1971-1976
                    Adams E3 Custom Series Euphonium, 1956 B&H Imperial Euphonium,
                    1973 F. E. Olds & Son Studio Model T-31 Baritone
                    Adams TB1 Tenor Trombone, Yamaha YBL-822G Bass Trombone
                    Year Round Except Summer:
                    Kingdom of the Sun (KOS) Concert Band, Ocala, FL (Euphonium)
                    KOS Brass Quintet (Trombone, Euphonium)
                    Summer Only:
                    Rapid City Municipal Band, Rapid City, SD (Euphonium)
                    Rapid City New Horizons Band (Euphonium)

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                    • Snorlax
                      Senior Member
                      • Mar 2007
                      • 1003

                      #11
                      Originally posted by John Morgan View Post
                      Which would that be, the underwear proverb or the "3 notes and the truth" proverb? Alas, I seemed to have missed your original response.
                      Mouthpieces are like underwear: I change every three months whether I need to or not.
                      Jim Williams N9EJR (love 10 meter CW)
                      Formerly Principal Euphonium in a whole
                      bunch of groups, now just a schlub.
                      Shires Q41, Yamaha 321, 621 Baritone
                      Wick 4AL, Wessex 4Y, or whatever I grab.
                      Conn 50H trombone, Blue P-bone
                      www.soundcloud.com/jweuph

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                      • highpitch
                        Senior Member
                        • Mar 2006
                        • 1034

                        #12
                        Ah, yes. I remember...

                        DDG

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                        • Snorlax
                          Senior Member
                          • Mar 2007
                          • 1003

                          #13
                          I'm now vacillating between the Wedge and the 3.5...
                          Jim Williams N9EJR (love 10 meter CW)
                          Formerly Principal Euphonium in a whole
                          bunch of groups, now just a schlub.
                          Shires Q41, Yamaha 321, 621 Baritone
                          Wick 4AL, Wessex 4Y, or whatever I grab.
                          Conn 50H trombone, Blue P-bone
                          www.soundcloud.com/jweuph

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                          • highpitch
                            Senior Member
                            • Mar 2006
                            • 1034

                            #14
                            Wedge & underwear don't go together, eh?

                            DDG

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                            • lzajmom
                              Member
                              • Feb 2019
                              • 84

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Snorlax View Post
                              I'm now vacillating between the Wedge and the 3.5...
                              I've been very curious about the Wedge for a while. If you do try it, please post a detailed account!
                              Wessex Dolce

                              "Suppose we have only dreamed, or made up, all those things -- trees and grass and sun and moon and stars and Aslan himself. Suppose we have. Then all I can say is that, in that case, the made-up things seem a good deal more important than the real ones." - Puddleglum in "The Silver Chair"

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