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  1. Is this a Besson Model 159 Bass Trumpet?

    I'm trying to identify this horn, a recent Ebay acquisition. I did a Google search and came up empty, searching for Besson marching baritone and Besson bass trumpet. Besson did make a bass trumpet, model 159 according to a 1958 catalog listing, but I have no pictures of it. Did Besson make marching baritones? The bell diameter is 8", it takes a tenor trombone mouthpiece, serial number is 04100, which does not seem to make any sense.

    -Dave
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    San Jose Wind Symphony
    San Francisco Brass Band
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    Adams E1 Custom .5mm
    Hirsbrunner Exclusiv 479
    Besson 955, 982 & ancient BBb helicon
    Yamaha 621F

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    It is not a bass trumpet. Besson did not manufacture marching trombones (which is what this is), but they did put their name on marching trombones from a number of other makers. Probably to meet school contracts. I have one that's marked "besson" that is clearly a Kanstul but yours appears to be a different design. Could be dynasty or getzen.
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    Barry

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    ahh, I think it's a Blessing M-200. So it would have been made at Blessing's factory in Elkhart. I believe that model uses the tooling from the old Olds marching trombone which was highly regarded.
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    Barry

  4. Quote Originally Posted by bbocaner View Post
    It is not a bass trumpet. Besson did not manufacture marching trombones (which is what this is), but they did put their name on marching trombones from a number of other makers. Probably to meet school contracts. I have one that's marked "besson" that is clearly a Kanstul but yours appears to be a different design. Could be dynasty or getzen.
    Barry, thanks for the reply. That makes sense. The fittings are not typical Besson. I did see some other marching baritones with the same wrap made by Olds and Blessing.
    San Jose Wind Symphony
    San Francisco Brass Band
    -------------------------------
    Adams E1 Custom .5mm
    Hirsbrunner Exclusiv 479
    Besson 955, 982 & ancient BBb helicon
    Yamaha 621F

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    No clue! My first guess is that it was made in India and may not have been marketed in the USA.
    Dave Werden (ASCAP)
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by bbocaner View Post
    ahh, I think it's a Blessing M-200. So it would have been made at Blessing's factory in Elkhart. I believe that model uses the tooling from the old Olds marching trombone which was highly regarded.
    Barry, you nailed it. Here is an ad for the Blessing M-200 Marching Trombone. Thanks for your help. Despite all the dents, it has a nice tone and good intonation.
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    San Jose Wind Symphony
    San Francisco Brass Band
    -------------------------------
    Adams E1 Custom .5mm
    Hirsbrunner Exclusiv 479
    Besson 955, 982 & ancient BBb helicon
    Yamaha 621F

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    I suspect the reason these exist is that Besson USA came across a RFP from a college or school district that wanted something like 30 tubas, 30 euphoniums, 30 trombones, --oh, and 5 marching trombones. So they contracted out to put their name on them so they could bid on the whole contract. My guess is that they were never offered for sale to the general public.
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    Barry

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