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  • BQ93
    Junior Member
    • Sep 2019
    • 6

    Help with a Besson horn

    Please forgive me and feel free to delete if this is an improper request. I’ve inherited a Besson horn and I was hoping I could get some help in identifying it.

    I’m not a brass player but it is either a 3 valve baritone or euphonium. Satin finish. Serial number 570,xxx which I believe puts it in the 1975 range. Can anyone point me to additional resources to help get more information on this horn?

    Thank you.
  • BQ93
    Junior Member
    • Sep 2019
    • 6

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    • RickF
      Moderator
      • Jan 2006
      • 3871

      #3
      Hi BQ93,

      Welcome to the forum. That's definitely a euphonium and is a 3 valve compensating model. That helps correct intonation with multiple valves being pressed - especially when using 1-3 and 123.

      See this link if interested:
      http://www.dwerden.com/eu-articles-comp.cfm
      Rick Floyd
      Miraphone 5050 - Warburton BJ / RF mpc

      "Always play with a good tone, never louder than lovely, never softer than supported." - author unknown.
      Symphonic Band of the Palm Beaches

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      • BQ93
        Junior Member
        • Sep 2019
        • 6

        #4
        Thanks

        Originally posted by RickF View Post
        Hi BQ93,

        Welcome to the forum. That's definitely a euphonium and is a 3 valve compensating model. That helps correct intonation with multiple valves being pressed - especially when using 1-3 and 123.

        See this link if interested:
        http://www.dwerden.com/eu-articles-comp.cfm

        I appreciate it. As I said I am completely out of my element. I'll take a look at the link.

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        • BQ93
          Junior Member
          • Sep 2019
          • 6

          #5
          Can you give me any tips on how i can determine the model? I am fairly certain it is a student model, but I do not have any idea how to tell which one.

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          • RickF
            Moderator
            • Jan 2006
            • 3871

            #6
            Can’t tell you the model number but would say some prefer these over a 4-valve compensator model because they’re lighter, have a good tone and play relatively in tune. Maybe someone else will know the model number.

            — edited to remove an error —
            Last edited by RickF; 09-30-2019, 07:34 AM.
            Rick Floyd
            Miraphone 5050 - Warburton BJ / RF mpc

            "Always play with a good tone, never louder than lovely, never softer than supported." - author unknown.
            Symphonic Band of the Palm Beaches

            El Cumbanchero (Raphael Hernandez, arr. Naohiro Iwai)
            The Cowboys (John Williams, arr. James Curnow)
            Festive Overture (Dmitri Shostakovich)

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            • davewerden
              Administrator
              • Nov 2005
              • 11138

              #7
              For many decades (until the Sovereign models came along in the mid-1970's) the New Standard or Imperial models were Besson's top of the line and were professional models. The pros all played 4-valve horns, but the 3-valve compensating horns were of the same quality. So it's hard to categorize it, but the quality is that of a pro horn 100%. There undoubtedly was a model number but I don't remember it.

              If you browse through the for sale section you'll see many examples where horns like this were offered for sale.
              Dave Werden (ASCAP)
              Euphonium Soloist, U.S. Coast Guard Band, retired
              Adams Artist (Adams E3)
              Alliance Mouthpiece DC3, Wick 4AL, Wick 4ABL
              YouTube: dwerden
              Facebook: davewerden
              Twitter: davewerden
              Instagram: davewerdeneuphonium

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              • BQ93
                Junior Member
                • Sep 2019
                • 6

                #8
                Thank you both for the help. I will do some research on the forum and see what I can determine.

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                • Will
                  Member
                  • Mar 2014
                  • 48

                  #9
                  I have one in the same serial number range (as well as another 4 valve w/ removable front bell). As far as I have been able to determine, the 3v compensating is a model 176.
                  Weril H980 euph
                  Besson 4v comp euph 314xxx
                  Besson 3v comp euph 455xxx
                  King 3v bari. 20xxx
                  King 4v double-bell euph 50xxx
                  Conn 5v double-bell euph 355xxx
                  Buescher 3+1 double-bell euph 285xxx
                  Olds bell-front 3v bari
                  Holton alto horn
                  Holton 3v tuba
                  Belleville Helicon
                  Some of the performances of the Mid-Shore Community Band:
                  http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...ty%20band&sm=3

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                  • BQ93
                    Junior Member
                    • Sep 2019
                    • 6

                    #10
                    Thanks for the information. That should help.

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                    • Will
                      Member
                      • Mar 2014
                      • 48

                      #11
                      This page has information on Bessons from a 1958 catalog. This model was made at least into the 70s based upon serial numbers seen.

                      https://horn-u-copia.net/cgi-bin/yab...m=1181698452/3
                      Weril H980 euph
                      Besson 4v comp euph 314xxx
                      Besson 3v comp euph 455xxx
                      King 3v bari. 20xxx
                      King 4v double-bell euph 50xxx
                      Conn 5v double-bell euph 355xxx
                      Buescher 3+1 double-bell euph 285xxx
                      Olds bell-front 3v bari
                      Holton alto horn
                      Holton 3v tuba
                      Belleville Helicon
                      Some of the performances of the Mid-Shore Community Band:
                      http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...ty%20band&sm=3

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