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  • mscolegrove
    Junior Member
    • Mar 2019
    • 12

    Writing on Sheet Music

    Since beginning band, I've always been told that you should write on your music to help you with fingerings, dynamics, and musicality, but recently I've been hearing that you shouldn't write on your music unless absolutely necessary like marking repeatedly missed notes or a correction to the piece. I feel that marking down feelings that should be expressed in a passage, writing symbols, and circling emphasised notes helps my playing. Others would argue that the extra writing distracts your eyes from the ACTUAL sheet music where you can already assume which notes should be played out, musicality, etc.

    I would like to hear other opinions on this subject and benefits/disadvantages of each.

    Is writing excessively on music only common in students, or do artists do this too?
    Natalie Colegrove
    @misseuphonium
  • davewerden
    Administrator
    • Nov 2005
    • 11137

    #2
    I can only say that I generally write on my music. It's not that I want to or like to - it simply helps me with some things. A lot depends on your own brain and the kind of work you're doing.

    A world-class trumpet recently posted that you should always memorize your entire recital and never take water on stage with you. Well, both those are impossible for me, but I recognize the value of doing so if you are able AND in a position to do it.
    Dave Werden (ASCAP)
    Euphonium Soloist, U.S. Coast Guard Band, retired
    Adams Artist (Adams E3)
    Alliance Mouthpiece DC3, Wick 4AL, Wick 4ABL
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    • RickF
      Moderator
      • Jan 2006
      • 3871

      #3
      I too make some notes on my music. If I miss a flat or sharp once I might miss it again so mark a # or b above that note. If I forget the dymnaic change I might circle it. I TRY to remember to erase these markings before turning the music in but that may not always work out.
      Rick Floyd
      Miraphone 5050 - Warburton BJ / RF mpc

      "Always play with a good tone, never louder than lovely, never softer than supported." - author unknown.
      Symphonic Band of the Palm Beaches

      El Cumbanchero (Raphael Hernandez, arr. Naohiro Iwai)
      The Cowboys (John Williams, arr. James Curnow)
      Festive Overture (Dmitri Shostakovich)
      ​

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      • John Morgan
        Moderator
        • Apr 2014
        • 1885

        #4
        I usually mark my music, but pretty sparingly. And always in a very erasable pencil. And when I turn the music in, I erase the music thoroughly. Some of the things I mark:

        1) If I continually miss a note because of a key change or other reason, I will sometimes mark the # or b or natural sign by the note, but only if I miss this note repeatedly, not on the first pass through a piece.
        2) By the way, I immediately erase a piece of music that has all of the fingerings or slide positions on every single note in the piece (and I look for the person who did this!!!!!)
        3) If there are mistakes in the music, like a wrong note, I write in the correct note (usually in ink if I can do it neatly) and I leave these corrections on the music.
        4) If there are mistakes or omissions like a rehearsal letter or number not on the music or in the wrong place, I fix that.
        5) If a piece speeds up or slows down dramatically, I may put an extra cue for that in the music, perhaps by circling the marking.

        There are surely more like these, but I do try not to inundate the music with marks or comments. Otherwise you have so much "noise" in the music that it is distracting. Or if you circle everything, then nothing stands out at all. In other words, I don't rewrite something that is already there, usually. If there is a dynamic symbol and I miss it or if it needs to be really dramatic, I may highlight it (underline or circle or something to get my attention).

        I must profess a minor beef with many of my band mates. When the director decides he wants something a particular way, like make those four notes staccato, or don't slur that phrase, or slow down here, or any number of things, I immediately have my pencil at the ready to mark those "changes" that he wants. 90% of my bandmates sit on their thumbs and don't mark the changes, and of course, at the very next rehearsal, the director stops and tells people again what he wants, then again they don't mark it, etc. etc. This is where EVERYONE should be notating their music as per the director's wishes. (This happens mostly in the New Horizons Band that I play in, not so much in the other groups.)

        So, in summary, it seems to me inevitable that everyone will make some marks on their music, some more than others. I tend to be somewhat frugal in the marks I make, and in my opinion, there is absolutely nothing wrong with marking music, beginner or pro. Just do it sensibly and for reasons that help you, and try to return the music to its original condition when done with it.

        One other thing. Use a pencil that erases easily. Fix something on your folder to hold a pencil. I cut out a little piece of cardboard and tape it to the inside of the folder and keep my pencil there. Also, have a really good eraser in your music bag, case, etc. I have one in each of my instrument cases. These are the art store type of erasers usually, and look like a small bar of soap. I also have the erasers that are inside what looks like a pencil sort of. Then you click it and the eraser comes out of the tube. Those are nice, too. But have a pencil and have an eraser. Essential gear for the enterprising musician.
        Last edited by John Morgan; 08-28-2019, 08:34 AM.
        John Morgan
        The U.S. Army Band (Pershing's Own) 1971-1976
        Adams E3 Custom Series Euphonium, 1956 B&H Imperial Euphonium,
        1973 F. E. Olds & Son Studio Model T-31 Baritone
        Adams TB1 Tenor Trombone, Yamaha YBL-822G Bass Trombone
        Year Round Except Summer:
        Kingdom of the Sun (KOS) Concert Band, Ocala, FL (Euphonium)
        KOS Brass Quintet (Trombone, Euphonium)
        Summer Only:
        Rapid City Municipal Band, Rapid City, SD (Euphonium)
        Rapid City New Horizons Band (Euphonium)

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        • John Morgan
          Moderator
          • Apr 2014
          • 1885

          #5
          Originally posted by davewerden View Post
          ...A world-class trumpet recently posted that you should always memorize your entire recital and never take water on stage with you. Well, both those are impossible for me, but I recognize the value of doing so if you are able AND in a position to do it.
          Can you believe that the Canadian Brass for the most part play their entire concerts without music?? Yee-gads!! I try to play solos memorized and do mostly. But sometimes I just don't have the desire or energy to memorize some particular solos. When in the U.S. Army Band, everyone had to memorize at least 30 or more marches, and then some other stuff, too. So you could play any march in any parade on any day without music. The Herald Trumpets (a subset within the U.S. Army Band) never used music, you had to know the entire repertoire by memory. And you best better know them all, because you never knew what pieces would be called.

          It is funny now that I am an old dude, on some of the tunes I have memorized, I occasionally will be rehearsing a piece, then start day dreaming about something else (focusing and concentrating when you get older gets harder, I guess), and totally forget where I am. I have done that several times over the years. I stop and ask the conductor to kindly please restart that section. And I promise to pay attention!!

          The business about water is curious also. I ALWAYS take water with me on stage. In fact, when I play a series of concerts for schools, if I go out front of the band to do a solo, I hand my water bottle to one of the clarinets so that he/she can give it to me pronto during a band interlude so I can get a quick sip. Before I got to the point where I ALWAYS take water with me on stage, I played a solo with a band in Colorado for a good sized audience many years ago. I was just getting over a nasty cold. I got up on the stage, and the solo was none other than Carnival of Venice. The Harold Brasch version. So I started the first part which was a slow section that also went up high. My mouth was like the Sahara Desert. Too many cold pills, I guess. Dry mouth does not even come close to adequately describing my condition. I struggled like crazy to get through the first section before I had a little break and there was the band interlude. It was agony. I stunk. I was embarrassed beyond belief. So, as soon as the first section ended (I had been furiously thinking this whole time about what was I going to do, quit, make an excuse, etc.), I went over to the trombone section and looked for someone with a water bottle. I found one, asked if it was just water, not oil or something else, and he said just water. So I grabbed the bottle, took several big squirts much to the amusement of the audience who could feel my pain with me, then proceeded on with the piece. The next variation went better, and then I was sort of back to normal and could finish the piece. After that fiasco, I have NEVER gone on stage without a water bottle. Any one who tells you not to take a water bottle with you on stage is, in my humble opinion, either a walking water fountain, or, more likely, just plain nuts. I see countless world class musicians with their water bottles on stage. I'm sure going to have mine!!!
          Last edited by John Morgan; 08-27-2019, 11:22 PM.
          John Morgan
          The U.S. Army Band (Pershing's Own) 1971-1976
          Adams E3 Custom Series Euphonium, 1956 B&H Imperial Euphonium,
          1973 F. E. Olds & Son Studio Model T-31 Baritone
          Adams TB1 Tenor Trombone, Yamaha YBL-822G Bass Trombone
          Year Round Except Summer:
          Kingdom of the Sun (KOS) Concert Band, Ocala, FL (Euphonium)
          KOS Brass Quintet (Trombone, Euphonium)
          Summer Only:
          Rapid City Municipal Band, Rapid City, SD (Euphonium)
          Rapid City New Horizons Band (Euphonium)

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          • Davidus1
            Senior Member
            • Jul 2008
            • 622

            #6
            I do the same. If the conductor wants to deviate in an area (i.e. slow down more than expected, etc.) I will make notes. Any area that I tend to forget something I'll make note of that as well. The more experience you gain you know when you need (or should) notate helpful information. Always have a pencil or mechanical pencil with you. Very helpful. Never make notes in ink unless its your own property. Very irritating when someone makes notes in ink which is not courteous to others that may use the parts after you.
            John 3:16


            Conn Victor 5H Trombone
            Yamaha 354 Trombone
            Conn 15I Euphonium

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            • adrian_quince
              Senior Member
              • Mar 2015
              • 277

              #7
              My philosophy is this: mark what you need to mark so that the conductor doesn't have to make the same comment twice.

              Two of my favorite quick markings for use in a rehearsal: the dollar sign ($), which means this needs practice, and eyeglasses, which means watch.

              Finally, stay away from highlighters. I played a show once where the player I was subbing for had marked all the key changes with pink highlighter. In the dim light of the pit, I couldn't make out a single one. It took some very lucky guesses not to play something spectacularly wrong.
              Last edited by adrian_quince; 08-27-2019, 10:51 PM.
              Adrian L. Quince
              Composer, Conductor, Euphoniumist
              www.adrianquince.com

              Kanstul 976 - SM4U

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              • ann reid
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2019
                • 193

                #8
                Always ALWAYS in light pencil, always ALWAYS when told to do so by the conductor and/or section leader, always ALWAYS as a tip to yourself when you’ve fluffed something within your grasp to play correctly or with focused practice.

                Finding a part marked in anything BUT an erasable pencil mark is a special kind of horror for me, and I can never understand why kids as first year students aren’t taught to use pencils ONLY.

                My first instrumental teacher, who became our HS band director, was Revelli trained, so we as students were trained with the same goal of perfectionism AND DISCIPLINE. That training has NEVER failed me, and I never participate in a rehearsal without a pencil on my stand.

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                • highpitch
                  Senior Member
                  • Mar 2006
                  • 1034

                  #9
                  Once the music is passed out for us, the first thing I do is make copies and turn in the originals.

                  Those get punched and set in a ring binder (can't blow away) in concert order.

                  Marks will fly in my case, and usually plenty of 'em. At that point, it's my business anyway.

                  After the season, the whole thing gets put in my archive.

                  DG

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                  • enhite
                    Senior Member
                    • May 2012
                    • 270

                    #10
                    Originally posted by highpitch View Post
                    Once the music is passed out for us, the first thing I do is make copies and turn in the originals. After the season, the whole thing gets put in my archive. DG
                    That's exactly what I do. My daughter once had a summer job in college erasing all the markings from orchestral parts. It was ok for her, as she was getting paid, but thinking about the our volunteer community band librarian or the next person who might get my marked up part, I decided to do like "highpitch" and make copies before marking things up even in pencil. Now I can highlight those D.S. markings, write in conductor preferences or anything else I wish to make note of.

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                    • ChristianeSparkle
                      Senior Member
                      • Jun 2018
                      • 366

                      #11
                      I usually print out my own sheet music, so I can make however I want it to, with pen, with colour pencils, highlighters etc
                      "Never over complicate things. Accept "bad" days. Always enjoy yourself when playing, love the sound we can make on our instruments (because that's why we all started playing the Euph)"

                      Euph: Yamaha 642II Neo - 千歌音
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                      • ghmerrill
                        Senior Member
                        • Dec 2011
                        • 2382

                        #12
                        One of my major pet peeves is how way too many people approach writing on music in community bands I've played in. This is currently not a problem since the band I'm playing in has a completely digital library and EVERYONE prints of his or her own copies.

                        So thanks to everyone who has acknowledged this issue and pointed out the proper way to do this on organization-owned sheet music if you must. So you don't EVER use ink and you ALWAYS mark lightly so it can be erased. Even then, however, way too many people hand in the music without ERASING their marks -- leaving it for the next player to do that. Thanks a lot. Then what happens is that the next player DOESN'T do that and at some point a couple of years later, the "librarian" discovers the need for additional copies of that part (never mind the copyright issues), and copies the part that has the pencil marks on it. So now they're INK marks and not erasable. Thanks even more for that.

                        A special place in hell is reserved for those tuba players (usually BBb) who feel the need to write fingerings above or below the notes -- and in ink. Players of tubas in different keys will recognize how irritating this is -- like a euph player who's put treble clef fingerings over notes on a bass clef part.

                        Otherwise, nowadays I mark up my music quite heavily -- trying to leave nothing to chance. And I do it with highlighters and pens in different colors: time and key signatures (when these change), repeats, some dynamic markings, insertions of conductor's wishes, and (since I'm pretty much exclusively playing a double-valve bass trombone in band recently) valve use and slide positions if these may be a bit unusual and facilitate a passage, notations for inserting/removing mutes, etc. Whatever ... If there's a chance I'll miss it or forget it (increasing with age), I mark it. It's the FIRST thing I do when I print my music from the digital copy.
                        Gary Merrill
                        Wessex EEb Bass tuba (DW 3XL or 2XL)
                        Mack Brass Compensating Euph (DE N106, Euph J, J9 euph)
                        Amati Oval Euph (DE 104, Euph J, J6 euph)
                        1924 Buescher 3-valve Eb tuba (with std US receiver), Kelly 25
                        Schiller American Heritage 7B clone bass trombone (DE LB K/K10/112/14 Lexan, Brass Ark MV50R)
                        1947 Olds "Standard" trombone (Olds #3)

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                        • adrian_quince
                          Senior Member
                          • Mar 2015
                          • 277

                          #13
                          Originally posted by ghmerrill View Post
                          A special place in hell is reserved for those tuba players (usually BBb) who feel the need to write fingerings above or below the notes -- and in ink. Players of tubas in different keys will recognize how irritating this is -- like a euph player who's put treble clef fingerings over notes on a bass clef part.
                          Or the person who writes a bunch of non-compensating euphonium fingerings in ink. Sight reading a part cluttered with fingerings I couldn't use was fun.
                          Adrian L. Quince
                          Composer, Conductor, Euphoniumist
                          www.adrianquince.com

                          Kanstul 976 - SM4U

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                          • mscolegrove
                            Junior Member
                            • Mar 2019
                            • 12

                            #14
                            Thank you for all the information!

                            This clears up a lot about ensemble parts, but would anything be different with solo repertoire? For example, I listen to a recording of my solo piece/excerpt and the music doesn't have much written, but the soloist is adding crescendos, adding hairpins, making one passage more separated than another, using rubato, etc. Would it be appropriate to mark down the soloist's interpretation, or try and develop this on your own through studying the music without any extra markings?
                            Natalie Colegrove
                            @misseuphonium

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                            • davewerden
                              Administrator
                              • Nov 2005
                              • 11137

                              #15
                              Originally posted by mscolegrove View Post
                              Thank you for all the information!

                              This clears up a lot about ensemble parts, but would anything be different with solo repertoire? For example, I listen to a recording of my solo piece/excerpt and the music doesn't have much written, but the soloist is adding crescendos, adding hairpins, making one passage more separated than another, using rubato, etc. Would it be appropriate to mark down the soloist's interpretation, or try and develop this on your own through studying the music without any extra markings?
                              That's a multi-question post. Here are a couple thoughts.

                              For solo music I write about as much as on ensemble parts, depending on the complexity of the piece. HOWEVER, I am much more likely to notate my breath strategy in solo music. For example, if a phrase is going to stress my air supply, I'll circle a breath mark in front of it. And to get me off to a running start, I often put another breath mark ahead of the previous phrase.

                              As for another soloist's interpretation, that is a fantastic exercise and I use it and teach it. Learn to mimic others (and not just euphonium players) as a way to stretch your interpretative toolbox. Each of these exercises builds your abilities. But for performance, you generally want to use your own ideas (which are now broader as a result of the exercises). For example, I learned a lot by trying to phrase this song like its most famous performer, country singer Patsy Cline:
                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWltaKeU5oU

                              That was not a technical challenge, but it took work to get the interpretation the way I wanted it.
                              Dave Werden (ASCAP)
                              Euphonium Soloist, U.S. Coast Guard Band, retired
                              Adams Artist (Adams E3)
                              Alliance Mouthpiece DC3, Wick 4AL, Wick 4ABL
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