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  • davewerden
    Administrator
    • Nov 2005
    • 11138

    Cleaning Your Horn - and Herco Spitballs

    Here is a video where I describe my various cleaning procedures, including the use of Herco Spitballs. (It is the verbose version, and I'm thinking about editing it to make an additional, much shorter version.)

    https://youtu.be/kVxSxMnV8i8
    Last edited by davewerden; 07-21-2019, 04:32 PM.
    Dave Werden (ASCAP)
    Euphonium Soloist, U.S. Coast Guard Band, retired
    Adams Artist (Adams E3)
    Alliance Mouthpiece DC3, Wick 4AL, Wick 4ABL
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  • John Morgan
    Moderator
    • Apr 2014
    • 1885

    #2
    Nice. I added a comment/question on the youtube video.
    John Morgan
    The U.S. Army Band (Pershing's Own) 1971-1976
    Adams E3 Custom Series Euphonium, 1956 B&H Imperial Euphonium,
    1973 F. E. Olds & Son Studio Model T-31 Baritone
    Adams TB1 Tenor Trombone, Yamaha YBL-822G Bass Trombone
    Year Round Except Summer:
    Kingdom of the Sun (KOS) Concert Band, Ocala, FL (Euphonium)
    KOS Brass Quintet (Trombone, Euphonium)
    Summer Only:
    Rapid City Municipal Band, Rapid City, SD (Euphonium)
    Rapid City New Horizons Band (Euphonium)

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    • Snorlax
      Senior Member
      • Mar 2007
      • 1003

      #3
      I love my spitballs!!!
      Jim Williams N9EJR (love 10 meter CW)
      Formerly Principal Euphonium in a whole
      bunch of groups, now just a schlub.
      Shires Q41, Yamaha 321, 621 Baritone
      Wick 4AL, Wessex 4Y, or whatever I grab.
      Conn 50H trombone, Blue P-bone
      www.soundcloud.com/jweuph

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      • davewerden
        Administrator
        • Nov 2005
        • 11138

        #4
        Originally posted by Snorlax View Post
        I love my spitballs!!!
        You mean the Herco kind, right?
        Dave Werden (ASCAP)
        Euphonium Soloist, U.S. Coast Guard Band, retired
        Adams Artist (Adams E3)
        Alliance Mouthpiece DC3, Wick 4AL, Wick 4ABL
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        • Euph95
          Junior Member
          • Jan 2014
          • 23

          #5
          Does anyone here know which size of spitballs will work best with a medium shank Willson 2900? I'm worried the small size will be too small to have any effect and that the large size will get stuck in the lead pipe. Any help is appreciated!

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          • daruby
            Moderator
            • Apr 2006
            • 2217

            #6
            The regular trombone/euphonium ones work fine. I use them in my small shank English baritone (even an old Besson 956 4 valve with the worst twisty wrap in the world). No problems. Just make sure you insert far enough into the leadpipe, pull out the tuning slide, and blow like hell with the mouthpiece in the leadpipe. Even with all 4 valves down, I have never had a problem getting them to come out.
            Adams E3 0.60 Sterling bell - Prototype top sprung valves
            Concord Band
            Winchendon Winds
            Townsend Military Band

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            • Euph95
              Junior Member
              • Jan 2014
              • 23

              #7
              Awesome, I'll grab some of the normal ones then! Thank you for your help!

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              • davewerden
                Administrator
                • Nov 2005
                • 11138

                #8
                Just to be clear, you want size 15.
                Dave Werden (ASCAP)
                Euphonium Soloist, U.S. Coast Guard Band, retired
                Adams Artist (Adams E3)
                Alliance Mouthpiece DC3, Wick 4AL, Wick 4ABL
                YouTube: dwerden
                Facebook: davewerden
                Twitter: davewerden
                Instagram: davewerdeneuphonium

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                • John Morgan
                  Moderator
                  • Apr 2014
                  • 1885

                  #9
                  I have really become a fan of the Herco Spitballs. I thought Linda was too, that is, until I forced her to watch a couple episodes of blowing the spitballs through my horn, and the resulting yuk that splatted onto a couple paper towels. She now goes to another part of the house when I do the Herco maneuver. I am still amazed each and every time I do this that the spitballs don't end up in some unreachable nook or cranny of my horn.
                  John Morgan
                  The U.S. Army Band (Pershing's Own) 1971-1976
                  Adams E3 Custom Series Euphonium, 1956 B&H Imperial Euphonium,
                  1973 F. E. Olds & Son Studio Model T-31 Baritone
                  Adams TB1 Tenor Trombone, Yamaha YBL-822G Bass Trombone
                  Year Round Except Summer:
                  Kingdom of the Sun (KOS) Concert Band, Ocala, FL (Euphonium)
                  KOS Brass Quintet (Trombone, Euphonium)
                  Summer Only:
                  Rapid City Municipal Band, Rapid City, SD (Euphonium)
                  Rapid City New Horizons Band (Euphonium)

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                  • Pat
                    Senior Member
                    • Dec 2008
                    • 399

                    #10
                    Saw the video, got some... I'm a believer!
                    Sterling Virtuoso Euphonium, Denis Wick 4AL

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                    • JoeMin
                      Junior Member
                      • Feb 2021
                      • 26

                      #11
                      Hi all,
                      just got some....tried it last week , and it never came out??? If I remember right I believe I had all 4 valves pressed down? I don't know where it went , but assume it's caught in there somewhere. Any ideas?
                      Thanks,
                      Joe

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                      • davewerden
                        Administrator
                        • Nov 2005
                        • 11138

                        #12
                        Originally posted by JoeMin View Post
                        Hi all,
                        just got some....tried it last week , and it never came out??? If I remember right I believe I had all 4 valves pressed down? I don't know where it went , but assume it's caught in there somewhere. Any ideas?
                        Thanks,
                        Joe
                        Did you pull the main tuning slide out before doing this?
                        Dave Werden (ASCAP)
                        Euphonium Soloist, U.S. Coast Guard Band, retired
                        Adams Artist (Adams E3)
                        Alliance Mouthpiece DC3, Wick 4AL, Wick 4ABL
                        YouTube: dwerden
                        Facebook: davewerden
                        Twitter: davewerden
                        Instagram: davewerdeneuphonium

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                        • John Morgan
                          Moderator
                          • Apr 2014
                          • 1885

                          #13
                          If it doesn't come out, get a long snake (trombone slide cleaning tool, see picture). You should be able to run that through all of the slides, which is probably where it is. Take all your valves out and watch as you use the snake. I haven't tried this, but it seems like it would work.

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                          John Morgan
                          The U.S. Army Band (Pershing's Own) 1971-1976
                          Adams E3 Custom Series Euphonium, 1956 B&H Imperial Euphonium,
                          1973 F. E. Olds & Son Studio Model T-31 Baritone
                          Adams TB1 Tenor Trombone, Yamaha YBL-822G Bass Trombone
                          Year Round Except Summer:
                          Kingdom of the Sun (KOS) Concert Band, Ocala, FL (Euphonium)
                          KOS Brass Quintet (Trombone, Euphonium)
                          Summer Only:
                          Rapid City Municipal Band, Rapid City, SD (Euphonium)
                          Rapid City New Horizons Band (Euphonium)

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                          • davewerden
                            Administrator
                            • Nov 2005
                            • 11138

                            #14
                            In addition to my question above, does the horn play at all? And do the valves work now? That would narrow down where the foam is stuck.

                            I once forgot to remove my tuning slide (which is why I asked my first question!) and the spitball ended up in the large tubing after the tuning slide. I was able to shake it out through the bell.
                            Dave Werden (ASCAP)
                            Euphonium Soloist, U.S. Coast Guard Band, retired
                            Adams Artist (Adams E3)
                            Alliance Mouthpiece DC3, Wick 4AL, Wick 4ABL
                            YouTube: dwerden
                            Facebook: davewerden
                            Twitter: davewerden
                            Instagram: davewerdeneuphonium

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                            • mbrooke
                              Senior Member
                              • Jan 2006
                              • 401

                              #15
                              Originally posted by JoeMin View Post
                              Hi all,
                              just got some....tried it last week , and it never came out??? If I remember right I believe I had all 4 valves pressed down? I don't know where it went , but assume it's caught in there somewhere. Any ideas?
                              Thanks,
                              Joe
                              Try pouring water down the bell and the emptying it out. It may just be in the main wrap of tubing below the bell.

                              Mike

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