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  1. #11
    I took a closer look and it looks more like the JP274 than the JP-Sterling 374. It's a little bit mysterious exactly what factory those are made in, but I don't think it is jinbao actually. And I don't doubt that they ordered it with some special customizations, and supply it with a fancier case - but the JP274 is a $2000 euphonium. Selling it for $5000 or even a "special $3000 intro price" is pretty ballsy.

    Keep in mind that the Shires Q-series is a chinese instrument as well, but all this stenciling is pretty out of control.
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    Barry

  2. #12
    Definitely agree about the price - for some reason I thought I'd made some comment at the show about the horn being the "new American-made euphonium" and heard some sort of agreement or affirmation. BUT that may well be a mis-remembering or mis-hearing on my part (the whole conference is all kind of a blur at this point). The profit margins must be enormous for so many companies to be releasing these stencil horns when the market seems to be flooding currently.

    And I'm STILL curious about the Kanstul connection.
    Sean Kissane
    Development Director - International Tuba-Euphonium Association
    Geneva Oldroyd Cardinal Custom Euphonium
    Giddings DHWA-S Mouthpiece

  3. #13
    The first thing that came to mind when I saw the video was "Hey, it looks like the JP274 I own". Glad I wasn't the only one that noticed it
    "Never over complicate things. Accept "bad" days. And always enjoy yourself when playing, love the sound we can make on our instruments (because that's why we all started playing the Euphonium)"

    Euphonium: JP 274 MKII
    Mouthpiece: K&G 4D, Denis Wick 5AL,Arnolds & sons 6 1/2 AL-B
    Gone but not forgotten: Yamaha EP100 (May you serve the children well in the hands of your new owner. Thank you for the past 15 years)

  4. #14
    Regarding the Kanstul tooling, I'm super skeptical. So far as I can tell, there are two distinct models of Kanstul compensating euphoniums. The first generation looks more Besson-ish on quick inspection. The second generation, of which my 2014 Kanstul is one, has a very different wrap, especially in the fourth valve slide. Also, the second generation has the asymmetric hand brace.

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    To me eye, the horn in the video has nothing to do with Kanstul. The bell flare is wrong. The wrap of the tubing is significantly different. The bracing is the wrong design and in the wrong spot. The water keys are wrong. The finger buttons and top and bottom valve caps are wrong. The bottom bow guard is wrong. The hand brace is wrong for either generation of Kanstul.

    Maybe there was some tooling purchased by B.A.C., but honestly, I've played a Kanstul for a long time and I just can't see the connection.
    Adrian L. Quince
    Composer, Conductor, Euphoniumist
    www.adrianquince.com

    Kanstul 976 - SM4U

  5. #15
    Oh, the case looks like the one provided with the Elliott Euphonium endorsed by Lyndon Baglin!

    http://www.dwerden.com/forum/showthr...!#.XPYiT4gzbIU
    "Never over complicate things. Accept "bad" days. And always enjoy yourself when playing, love the sound we can make on our instruments (because that's why we all started playing the Euphonium)"

    Euphonium: JP 274 MKII
    Mouthpiece: K&G 4D, Denis Wick 5AL,Arnolds & sons 6 1/2 AL-B
    Gone but not forgotten: Yamaha EP100 (May you serve the children well in the hands of your new owner. Thank you for the past 15 years)

  6. Quote Originally Posted by spkissane View Post
    The profit margins must be enormous for so many companies to be releasing these stencil horns when the market seems to be flooding currently.
    I was told by a reliable source that the compensating euphonium at MB has one of the highest profit margins of all their products.
    Wessex Dolce

    "Suppose we have only dreamed, or made up, all those things -- trees and grass and sun and moon and stars and Aslan himself. Suppose we have. Then all I can say is that, in that case, the made-up things seem a good deal more important than the real ones." - Puddleglum in "The Silver Chair"

  7. I saw this instrument at ITEC and there is no way that it has anything to do with Kanstul. Mike will probably get something going but it will take at least a year with that tooling, this is just another knockoff.

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