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    Quote Originally Posted by davewerden View Post
    The fingering question has been answered at least a couple times, but I'd have a hard time finding it. So...

    In concert pitch, on my Bessons and my pre-Virtuoso Sterlings, I used:

    Eb - 13
    E - 24
    F - 4

    For the Eb, 14 is also an option on a compensating horn, which might be useful in some instances, but 13 has fewer inches of tubing.
    I feel silly now, as I somehow never recalled reading about alternative fingerings (especially the 13 for Eb) on the threads I read on the forum back then. I know there are alternative fingerings, like 1+4 for Eb, 24 for E, but they sounded very stuffy and still rather sharp for me. So I assumed that it would be extremely hard to lip them all down adequately. Will keep trying and see how they turn out, especially the 13 for Eb!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChristianeSparkle View Post
    I feel silly now, as I somehow never recalled reading about alternative fingerings (especially the 13 for Eb) on the threads I read on the forum back then. I know there are alternative fingerings, like 1+4 for Eb, 24 for E, but they sounded very stuffy and still rather sharp for me. So I assumed that it would be extremely hard to lip them all down adequately. Will keep trying and see how they turn out, especially the 13 for Eb!
    You may want to back off the air just a bit for Eb with 13. Because it feels stuffy your natural reaction is to blow harder. I found I could adjust HOW I blew, maybe using less intense air but with equal air quantity.

    In this video, virtually all the Eb's I played were with 13. You can see it very well in the 2nd recitative part, which should show up right away in this link:

    https://youtu.be/t9z9UvfFR4s?t=460

    There is a slight color change, but part of that is the context, because I want the Eb to have more emphasis.

    You can also see it here briefly:

    https://youtu.be/RYBwZcPJsuA?t=186
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    I agree that some horns sound stuffy with those alternate fingerings. My Yamaha 641 was that way... especially 1-4 (Eb), 2-4 (E). 1-3 was okay for Eb. I used 4 for 6th partial 'F' concert just fine. The tone was a bit weird with the others.

    On my M5050 those alt fingerings are actually sharper. Maybe because the 4th valve circuit bore is only .630, not sure. They're easily lipped down however.
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    Thank you both! I just tried everything out, and 1+3 slots very nicely and in tune for Eb. And yes! I was trying to use more air when the note sounds stuffy. Backing off on the air instead of trying to blow harder cleared the note up! Thanks, Mr. Werden!



    The E and F though are still rather sharp even with the alternative fingerings. Maybe I need to rethink it and try and adjust the tuning slides a bit more for the 4th valve.
    Last edited by ChristianeSparkle; 05-16-2019 at 11:41 PM.
    "Never over complicate things. Accept "bad" days. Always enjoy yourself when playing, love the sound we can make on our instruments (because that's why we all started playing the Euph)"

    Euph: Yamaha 642II Neo - 千歌音, JP 274 MKII - 千歌
    Mouthpiece: K&G 4D, Denis Wick 5AL
    Thank you for the past 15 years -Yamaha EP100 - Euphy

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  5. #15
    Just figured I could drop an update on this, a Canadian friend chanced upon 1 + 2 for concert pitch F that was rather in tune compared to the extremely sharp 0, 4 and 1 + 3. I've found the same thing too. Both of us are using the JP274. The neater part is that it isn't as stuffy as 1+3 or 4. So I am extremely happy that we are able to find a compromise for the F!





    Quote Originally Posted by davewerden View Post
    The fingering question has been answered at least a couple times, but I'd have a hard time finding it. So...

    In concert pitch, on my Bessons and my pre-Virtuoso Sterlings, I used:

    Eb - 13
    E - 24
    F - 4

    For the Eb, 14 is also an option on a compensating horn, which might be useful in some instances, but 13 has fewer inches of tubing.
    "Never over complicate things. Accept "bad" days. Always enjoy yourself when playing, love the sound we can make on our instruments (because that's why we all started playing the Euph)"

    Euph: Yamaha 642II Neo - 千歌音, JP 274 MKII - 千歌
    Mouthpiece: K&G 4D, Denis Wick 5AL
    Thank you for the past 15 years -Yamaha EP100 - Euphy

    https://soundcloud.com/ashsparkle_chika
    https://www.youtube.com/user/AshTSparkle/

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