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  • Jasoncostello77
    Junior Member
    • Feb 2019
    • 18

    Horns worth around 2000 dollars

    Hey Guys, I’m a Junior in High School and currently play on a Besson Sovereign 967 that belongs to my school. I’m looking to play Euphonium in college and I’ll need my own horn. I’ve looked into buying a wessex or a Packer but I’ll have around 2200 dollars by the time I graduate. What horns are best at this price? I’m looking for a compensating 3+1 configuration
    Besson Sovereign BE967 Euphonium
    Vincent Bach 1.5G Megatone Mouthpiece
  • John Morgan
    Moderator
    • Apr 2014
    • 1884

    #2
    Get a Wessex Dolce, then you will have money left over for music books, lessons, and whatever else college freshmen need starting out.
    John Morgan
    The U.S. Army Band (Pershing's Own) 1971-1976
    Adams E3 Custom Series Euphonium, 1956 B&H Imperial Euphonium,
    1973 F. E. Olds & Son Studio Model T-31 Baritone
    Adams TB1 Tenor Trombone, Yamaha YBL-822G Bass Trombone
    Year Round Except Summer:
    Kingdom of the Sun (KOS) Concert Band, Ocala, FL (Euphonium)
    KOS Brass Quintet (Trombone, Euphonium)
    Summer Only:
    Rapid City Municipal Band, Rapid City, SD (Euphonium)
    Rapid City New Horizons Band (Euphonium)

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    • Jasoncostello77
      Junior Member
      • Feb 2019
      • 18

      #3
      Is the Dolce the best horn within the 1000-2500 range?
      Besson Sovereign BE967 Euphonium
      Vincent Bach 1.5G Megatone Mouthpiece

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      • highpitch
        Senior Member
        • Mar 2006
        • 1034

        #4
        Best of the new clones. Comes with great warranty, US representative as well.

        The only thing better would be a good deal on a good used classic Besson, Yammie, Willson eTc.

        D

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        • enhite
          Senior Member
          • May 2012
          • 270

          #5
          There are many people who love their Wessex Dolce (especially on this forum) and some others who seem to think their John Packer was worth the extra. So it is an individual choice.
          (That said, John Morgan is a retired army musician and owns both an expensive Adams euphonium and a Dolce, so he knows what he's talking about.)
          Since you have some time, also keep an eye out for good used instruments, as HighPitch advised. Dave Werden regularly posts links to used euphoniums on this forum as well as others who post here when they are selling an instrument.
          A trip to a music conference where vendors are demonstrating their instruments might be worth your time. I don't know your location, but there will be a conference at the end of May in Iowa for the International Tuba and Euphonium Association (ITEA) with tubas and euphoniums galore. (Many will be out of your price range, but I expect Wessex, Packer, Jupiter and others will have instruments to demonstrate.) ITEA also has regional conferences, perhaps one near you. And, once you identify a college you wish to attend, be sure you talk your prospective teacher about instruments.

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          • ghmerrill
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2011
            • 2382

            #6
            I'm trying to figure out why it's so important to spend a certain amount on the horn -- rather than, say, looking for a good instrument that fits you well and plays the way you want it to. I mean, you're not asking "What are the best horns I could get for a maximum of $2,000?" but rather "I'm going to spend $2,000. What horn should I buy for that money?" That's an odd way for a musician to think.

            I mean ... I'm pretty sure that Todd Burdick of Tuba Skinny could afford a much more expensive horn than that old bell-front recording bass he plays. And I know that their cornet player, Shaye Cohn -- about the best trad jazz cornetist I've heard -- could certainly afford something more expensive than that old Yamaha student model cornet she uses. But their real goal is the music. Not the cost.
            Gary Merrill
            Wessex EEb Bass tuba (DW 3XL or 2XL)
            Mack Brass Compensating Euph (DE N106, Euph J, J9 euph)
            Amati Oval Euph (DE 104, Euph J, J6 euph)
            1924 Buescher 3-valve Eb tuba (with std US receiver), Kelly 25
            Schiller American Heritage 7B clone bass trombone (DE LB K/K10/112/14 Lexan, Brass Ark MV50R)
            1947 Olds "Standard" trombone (Olds #3)

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            • John Lebens
              Junior Member
              • May 2013
              • 27

              #7
              Originally posted by ghmerrill View Post

              I mean ... I'm pretty sure that Todd Burdick of Tuba Skinny could afford a much more expensive horn than that old bell-front recording bass he plays. And I know that their cornet player, Shaye Cohn -- about the best trad jazz cornetist I've heard -- could certainly afford something more expensive than that old Yamaha student model cornet she uses. But their real goal is the music. Not the cost.
              Right on Mr. Merrill! So many times I have seen someone take a piece of junk and make it sound like a Stradivarius! It’s all in the artist. Tuba Skinny, Absolutely Fantastic!
              Yamaha YEP 321 and Schilke 51D

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              • Jasoncostello77
                Junior Member
                • Feb 2019
                • 18

                #8
                No, I am asking whats the best horn at the maximum of that price, I must have worded my question wrong
                Besson Sovereign BE967 Euphonium
                Vincent Bach 1.5G Megatone Mouthpiece

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                • Jasoncostello77
                  Junior Member
                  • Feb 2019
                  • 18

                  #9
                  Thank you all for your help, I’ve decided to go with the wessex
                  Besson Sovereign BE967 Euphonium
                  Vincent Bach 1.5G Megatone Mouthpiece

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                  • timster
                    Junior Member
                    • Dec 2018
                    • 8

                    #10
                    Jasoncostello77,

                    I recently bought a Wessex Dolce; read the recent posts from Izajmom for her observations, all of which I have encountered.
                    Careful with threading the valve caps (N.B. I bought an brand new Olds Mendez trumpet in 1973 and it had similar fine threads, so the issue is not particular to the Wessex - and you will get used to it; be patient).
                    It is a great value for the money. Had I 10K+ to spend, I would have purchased an Adams. But if wishes were horsed, beggars would ride.

                    Tim Kennedy

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                    • 58mark
                      Senior Member
                      • Feb 2013
                      • 481

                      #11
                      The packer 274 is better than the 374 (not just my opinion) and it's about the same price as the wessex.

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                      • lzajmom
                        Member
                        • Feb 2019
                        • 84

                        #12
                        I fully agree it's a great value for the money! I hope my observations don't scare anyone away. It's just helpful, I think, to have proper expectations about what you're getting. I guess I didn't know what to expect, and that dissonance is making it a little harder to LOVE it the way I wanted to.

                        Originally posted by timster View Post
                        Jasoncostello77,

                        I recently bought a Wessex Dolce; read the recent posts from Izajmom for her observations, all of which I have encountered.
                        Careful with threading the valve caps (N.B. I bought an brand new Olds Mendez trumpet in 1973 and it had similar fine threads, so the issue is not particular to the Wessex - and you will get used to it; be patient).
                        It is a great value for the money. Had I 10K+ to spend, I would have purchased an Adams. But if wishes were horsed, beggars would ride.

                        Tim Kennedy
                        Wessex Dolce

                        "Suppose we have only dreamed, or made up, all those things -- trees and grass and sun and moon and stars and Aslan himself. Suppose we have. Then all I can say is that, in that case, the made-up things seem a good deal more important than the real ones." - Puddleglum in "The Silver Chair"

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                        • mbrown
                          Member
                          • Mar 2014
                          • 93

                          #13
                          I'll put in a vote for the wessex festivo. I've had mine for a year and it's satisfactory in all ways for what I do. Church/community groups. The bottom is tremendous for me, being a tuba guy... The valve caps are a little tedious but not a deal breaker. The festivo has 4 front valves and the way they're set up i can play them with one hand or if I want I can work the 4th valve with the left hand.

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