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    Second Valve Tuning Slide

    My new Adams E1's second valve tuning slide is very slick/loose. After playing around 10 minutes the slide slips down enough to come loose and half way out. Solutions/fixes??? Thank you!
    Ben Dawley
    Music Director,
    Calvary Baptist Church & Academy
    Euphonium, Mid-Michigan Brass Band

    Adams E1
    Sterling Silver Bell
    Brushed Lacquer

  2. This can be easily remedied by a good brass tech in a couple of minutes. One or both of the inner slides will need to be slightly expanded or “swaged” so that it fits tighter in the outer slide. I had this very problem on my second valve slide....after it popped out and fell to the floor on two separate performances, I took matters into my own hands and did a diy job here at home (I don’t recommend doing that)....problem fixed, but now it fits a bit tighter than I would like. A good tech would be able to make it a perfect fit.

  3. +1 what euphguy said. In the mean time use Hetman supersticky slide grease (#8)
    Sterling Virtuoso 1052HS & Adams E3 Prototype 0.70 Top Sprung valves
    Sterling Virtuoso 1050HS baritone & Conn 24I/25I euphonium
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    Quote Originally Posted by EuphGuy View Post
    One or both of the inner slides will need to be slightly expanded or “swaged” so that it fits tighter in the outer slide.
    Yes. However, I should like to take this opportunity (in the spirit of what some may consider excess pedantry) to praise EuphGuy for his use of the term "swaged". Be aware that if you use this term in communicating with brass repair technicians they may not understand you, or they may "correct" you to use the term "swedge" rather than "swage".

    Alas, this is a disturbing sign of the degradation of our language by the communal forces of darkness. I have no idea how "swedge" crept into the language (possibly merely as a creeping Bubba) However, even the "authorities" have succumbed: Merriam-Webster now regards "swedge" as a "spelling variant" of "swage" -- which is seems strikingly close to saying that "beer" is a spelling variant of "bear". But I digress (or digressed a couple of sentences ago).

    Anyhow, EuphGuy is to be applauded for not falling prey to the now almost universal usage of "swedge" among the brass technician crowd.
    Last edited by ghmerrill; 01-06-2019 at 03:30 PM.
    Gary Merrill
    Wessex EEb Bass tuba (Denis Wick 3XL)
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    1924 Buescher 3-valve Eb tuba, modified Kelly 25
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    1947 Olds "Standard" trombone (Olds #3)

  5. Quote Originally Posted by ghmerrill View Post
    Anyhow, EuphGuy is to be applauded for not falling prey to the now almost universal usage of "swedge" among the brass technician crowd.
    I will "swedge" that!
    Sterling Virtuoso 1052HS & Adams E3 Prototype 0.70 Top Sprung valves
    Sterling Virtuoso 1050HS baritone & Conn 24I/25I euphonium
    New England Brass Band/Metropolitan Wind Symphony
    Winchendon Winds/Townsend Military Band

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    I'll take that as a spelling variant of "sledge".
    Gary Merrill
    Wessex EEb Bass tuba (Denis Wick 3XL)
    Mack Brass Compensating Euph (DE N106, Euph J, J9 euph)
    Amati Oval Euph (DE N106, Euph J, J6 euph)
    1924 Buescher 3-valve Eb tuba, modified Kelly 25
    Schiller American Heritage 7B clone bass trombone (DE LB K/K9/112 Lexan, Brass Ark MV50R)
    1947 Olds "Standard" trombone (Olds #3)

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    uh oh... sounds like somebody there went overboard after I complained that all their tuning slides were too tight!
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    And once they paid attention to you, then they did a full review and decided to implement the industry standard for 2nd valve slides.
    Gary Merrill
    Wessex EEb Bass tuba (Denis Wick 3XL)
    Mack Brass Compensating Euph (DE N106, Euph J, J9 euph)
    Amati Oval Euph (DE N106, Euph J, J6 euph)
    1924 Buescher 3-valve Eb tuba, modified Kelly 25
    Schiller American Heritage 7B clone bass trombone (DE LB K/K9/112 Lexan, Brass Ark MV50R)
    1947 Olds "Standard" trombone (Olds #3)

  9. Quote Originally Posted by ghmerrill View Post
    I'll take that as a spelling variant of "sledge".
    And I will take "sledge" as a spelling variant of "sludge," which can inhibit tuning slides from falling out.
    Harry Nuttall

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    Holton Revelation euphonium #753xx
    Holton Revelation euphonium #797xx

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    Quote Originally Posted by daruby View Post
    +1 what euphguy said. In the mean time use Hetman supersticky slide grease (#8)
    I think you mean hetman #9 (used to be called #7P)

    #8 isn't really all that heavier than #7, it's just a different formulation.
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