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Thread: Denis Wick SM ULTRA4 XR

  1. #21
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    With K&G mouthpieces I found what I was looking for. I have already moved from Schilke, SM, SMU, SMX and I'm not intrigued to try anything else.
    2007 Besson Prestige 2052, 3D+ K&G mouthpiece; JP373 baritone, 4B modified K&G mouthpiece; Bach 42GO trombone, T4C K&G mouthpiece; 1973 Besson New Standard 3 compensated valves, 3D+ K&G modified mouthpiece; Wessex French C tuba, 3D+ K&G modified mouthpiece.

  2. #22
    I ordered one a couple of weeks ago- Steve mead let me know he was shipping it two weeks ago today, so it should arrive any day. I’ll let you know what I think when it arrives.

    Quote Originally Posted by graeme View Post
    Hi Guys. Anyone tried a SM4XR mouthpiece yet ?
    Mike Taylor

    Illinois Brass Band
    Fox Valley Brass Band

  3. #23
    I used to go on the mouthpiece safaris as you call it. It tended to get expensive after a while. Then I talked with Doug Elliot. While his mouth pieces aren't exactly cheap they come with a lot of advantages. They are three piece mouthpieces, consisting of an interchangeable shank, bowl and rim. He watches you play and recommend an initial setup. I like it because I can use the same mouthpiece for all my instruments no matter what shank size needed. I just need to connect the correct the right shank. I also have two rims: one normal and a lexan for playing in cold environments. This cuts down a lot on the number of mouthpieces I need. An having someone evaluate my playing and recommend the correct system for me was invaluable.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by miketeachesclass View Post
    I ordered one a couple of weeks ago- Steve mead let me know he was shipping it two weeks ago today, so it should arrive any day. I’ll let you know what I think when it arrives.
    Thanks Mike, I was interested to learn that it was only the outer rim that has been made more rounded but I am curious how you may notice any effect from the shallower cup

  5. Since i made the change to a Warburton Demondrae my mouthpiece safari has ended. Will try an SM4XR when I'm with Adams next time, doubt that it will outperform the Demondrae for me.
    Euphonium: Adams E3 Custom Series (SS Bell)
    Trombone: Benge 175F


  6. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by DutchEupho View Post
    Since i made the change to a Warburton Demondrae my mouthpiece safari has ended. Will try an SM4XR when I'm with Adams next time, doubt that it will outperform the Demondrae for me.
    As near as I can tell, the SMXR rim is like the Demondrae rim.

  7. #27
    I'm with Franz - the K&G 3.5D is nearly as close to a Wick 4AL/SM4UX someone has gotten with a wider rim, at least among mouthpieces I've tried. I think I've said this before but it affords approx 90% of the Wick singing quality with 200% more endurance.
    Adams E3 0.6 with SS Bell
    K&G 3.5D
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    Founder and Solo Euphonium
    San Francisco Brass Band

  8. #28
    I got the ultra 4XR on Monday and have had a little time to play on it.

    It is decidedly NOT like the demondrae, in feel or sound - I’ll post some photos of the rim profile side by side tomorrow.

    First impressions are that it feels much smaller than the Sm4x, and it sounds considerably smaller as well. I’ve only had time to play with it in a small room so far so I’m reserving judgement. I will say that I felt it lacked the core sound I’m accustomed to and dare I say it sounded more trombone like than I’m comfortable with, at least in the player’s position.

    Again, this is with very little time and in a small room. I’ll have a trusted pair of ears listen and help me evaluate as well as make some recordings.

    Goodnight!

    Quote Originally Posted by djwpe View Post
    As near as I can tell, the SMXR rim is like the Demondrae rim.

  9. #29
    This is a very interesting assessment. I would like to try one.

    I swear I’m going to start a mouthpiece lending library with all the pieces I’ve got/tried.

    Quote Originally Posted by JakeGuilbo View Post
    I'm with Franz - the K&G 3.5D is nearly as close to a Wick 4AL/SM4UX someone has gotten with a wider rim, at least among mouthpieces I've tried. I think I've said this before but it affords approx 90% of the Wick singing quality with 200% more endurance.
    Mike Taylor

    Illinois Brass Band
    Fox Valley Brass Band

  10. #30
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    A “mpc lending library”. Sounds like a neat idea.
    Rick Floyd
    Miraphone 5050 - Warburton BJ / RF mpc
    YEP-641S (recently sold)
    Doug Elliott - 102 rim; I-cup; I-9 shank


    "Always play with a good tone, never louder than lovely, never softer than supported." - author unknown.
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    El Cumbanchero (Raphael Hernandez, arr. Naohiro Iwai)
    Chorale and Shaker Dance
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