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  • Snorlax
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2007
    • 1003

    #16
    Same issue on second computer. Same version of Win 10, same version of Firefox.
    Jim Williams N9EJR (love 10 meter CW)
    Formerly Principal Euphonium in a whole
    bunch of groups, now just a schlub.
    Shires Q41, Yamaha 321, 621 Baritone
    Wick 4AL, Wessex 4Y, or whatever I grab.
    Conn 50H trombone, Blue P-bone
    www.soundcloud.com/jweuph

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    • iiipopes
      Senior Member
      • Feb 2016
      • 347

      #17
      I lose my session on all computers I use the moment I click to a subforum, irrespective of whether I use Edge or Chrome.

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      • davewerden
        Administrator
        • Nov 2005
        • 11136

        #18
        iiipopes just tried a little test for me, where I had created a new profile for him to try. He logged in with that identity and had the same problem. I can rule out a messed-up identity as the cause.
        Dave Werden (ASCAP)
        Euphonium Soloist, U.S. Coast Guard Band, retired
        Adams Artist (Adams E3)
        Alliance Mouthpiece DC3, Wick 4AL, Wick 4ABL
        YouTube: dwerden
        Facebook: davewerden
        Twitter: davewerden
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        • davewerden
          Administrator
          • Nov 2005
          • 11136

          #19
          Has either of you (iiipopes, Snorlax) tried opening a private window and logging in there?
          Dave Werden (ASCAP)
          Euphonium Soloist, U.S. Coast Guard Band, retired
          Adams Artist (Adams E3)
          Alliance Mouthpiece DC3, Wick 4AL, Wick 4ABL
          YouTube: dwerden
          Facebook: davewerden
          Twitter: davewerden
          Instagram: davewerdeneuphonium

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          • Snorlax
            Senior Member
            • Mar 2007
            • 1003

            #20
            I'm in a private window at all times in Firefox. This went through the first time, then I added this second sentence.
            Pressing my luck, here's a second edit...
            Jim Williams N9EJR (love 10 meter CW)
            Formerly Principal Euphonium in a whole
            bunch of groups, now just a schlub.
            Shires Q41, Yamaha 321, 621 Baritone
            Wick 4AL, Wessex 4Y, or whatever I grab.
            Conn 50H trombone, Blue P-bone
            www.soundcloud.com/jweuph

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            • RickF
              Moderator
              • Jan 2006
              • 3869

              #21
              Jim. This may not be your problem but sometimes I have problems using a 'private window' with FF. I know it's supposed to be more secure but some sites won't work for me. Just a thought.
              Rick Floyd
              Miraphone 5050 - Warburton BJ / RF mpc

              "Always play with a good tone, never louder than lovely, never softer than supported." - author unknown.
              Symphonic Band of the Palm Beaches

              El Cumbanchero (Raphael Hernandez, arr. Naohiro Iwai)
              The Cowboys (John Williams, arr. James Curnow)
              Festive Overture(Dmitri Shostakovich)
              ​

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              • davewerden
                Administrator
                • Nov 2005
                • 11136

                #22
                Originally posted by RickF View Post
                Jim. This may not be your problem but sometimes I have problems using a 'private window' with FF. I know it's supposed to be more secure but some sites won't work for me. Just a thought.
                I'm currently using Firefox in a private window. I logged in, browsed some of the categories, and then came here and hit Reply With Quote. No problems.

                However, Firefox private session does kill tracking cookies that connect with other sites. In this case, it killed cookies that drive the social media linking (addthis), and blocks my Google Analytics cookie.

                None of that seems to affect my ability to post...or so I think. We'll see if this post works!
                Dave Werden (ASCAP)
                Euphonium Soloist, U.S. Coast Guard Band, retired
                Adams Artist (Adams E3)
                Alliance Mouthpiece DC3, Wick 4AL, Wick 4ABL
                YouTube: dwerden
                Facebook: davewerden
                Twitter: davewerden
                Instagram: davewerdeneuphonium

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                • davewerden
                  Administrator
                  • Nov 2005
                  • 11136

                  #23
                  That worked. Now I browsed around and came back.

                  If you guys feel comfortable with this, open the debugging console in Firefox (hit the F12 key). Click on Storage, click the arrow beside "cookies" and click on this site (which should be immediately below "cookies"). Then log into the forum. You should see a list of cookies something like the attached file. Then maybe browse around a bit (you can hit F12 again to close the debugger while you do that). When you see your session disappear, hit F12 again and see what the cookie list looks like.


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                  Dave Werden (ASCAP)
                  Euphonium Soloist, U.S. Coast Guard Band, retired
                  Adams Artist (Adams E3)
                  Alliance Mouthpiece DC3, Wick 4AL, Wick 4ABL
                  YouTube: dwerden
                  Facebook: davewerden
                  Twitter: davewerden
                  Instagram: davewerdeneuphonium

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                  • davewerden
                    Administrator
                    • Nov 2005
                    • 11136

                    #24
                    That worked. Now I browsed around and came back.

                    If you guys feel comfortable with this, open the debugging console in Firefox (hit the F12 key). Click on Storage, click the arrow beside "cookies" and click on this site (which should be immediately below "cookies"). Then log into the forum. You should see a list of cookies something like the attached file. Then maybe browse around a bit (you can hit F12 again to close the debugger while you do that). When you see your session disappear, hit F12 again and see what the cookie list looks like.


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                    If that is too hard to see, view the image here:

                    http://www.dwerden.com/blog3/postima...rumCookies.png
                    Dave Werden (ASCAP)
                    Euphonium Soloist, U.S. Coast Guard Band, retired
                    Adams Artist (Adams E3)
                    Alliance Mouthpiece DC3, Wick 4AL, Wick 4ABL
                    YouTube: dwerden
                    Facebook: davewerden
                    Twitter: davewerden
                    Instagram: davewerdeneuphonium

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                    • carbogast
                      Senior Member
                      • Mar 2006
                      • 531

                      #25
                      Same here. Attempt #4...
                      Carroll Arbogast
                      Piano Technician
                      CMA Piano Care

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                      • davewerden
                        Administrator
                        • Nov 2005
                        • 11136

                        #26
                        How long has this been going on?
                        Dave Werden (ASCAP)
                        Euphonium Soloist, U.S. Coast Guard Band, retired
                        Adams Artist (Adams E3)
                        Alliance Mouthpiece DC3, Wick 4AL, Wick 4ABL
                        YouTube: dwerden
                        Facebook: davewerden
                        Twitter: davewerden
                        Instagram: davewerdeneuphonium

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                        • ghmerrill
                          Senior Member
                          • Dec 2011
                          • 2382

                          #27
                          These issues can get very complex (obviously this one already is). One thing I'd try in this circumstance is to go somewhere (a library of some sort, public or university), and try from there ON ONE OF THEIR PUBLICLY AVAILABLE COMPUTERS. This would then either point the finger at your own computer/browser(s) configuration (if everything works from that other remote computer) or point the finger at something else. I'd say "point the finger at the forum", and I'm inclined to believe this IF login from a computer not owned/operated/configured by you gets the desired access -- but there is still a lot of "stuff" in between any computer and the forum (including servers, internet service providers, etc.). Even this test will not be absolutely definitive since it's possible for there to be something in your computer/browser configuration that might be "causing" the problem, but the forum server and software ought to be handling it and isn't. (Just had an example of this with an application I'm using where proximate fault was mine -- bad code -- but the application processing my stuff should have caught and diagnosed the problem differently/better.)

                          Anyhow, that's what I'd do. Just as another step.
                          Last edited by ghmerrill; 09-28-2018, 10:13 AM.
                          Gary Merrill
                          Wessex EEb Bass tuba (DW 3XL or 2XL)
                          Mack Brass Compensating Euph (DE N106, Euph J, J9 euph)
                          Amati Oval Euph (DE 104, Euph J, J6 euph)
                          1924 Buescher 3-valve Eb tuba (with std US receiver), Kelly 25
                          Schiller American Heritage 7B clone bass trombone (DE LB K/K10/112/14 Lexan, Brass Ark MV50R)
                          1947 Olds "Standard" trombone (Olds #3)

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                          • carbogast
                            Senior Member
                            • Mar 2006
                            • 531

                            #28
                            Noticed on a particular computer... it's hard to post replies...
                            Carroll Arbogast
                            Piano Technician
                            CMA Piano Care

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                            • davewerden
                              Administrator
                              • Nov 2005
                              • 11136

                              #29
                              I had opened a ticket about this in July and the advice they gave me was to change the name of the cookies we use on the forum. This will force everyone to log out and back in again.

                              Before I do that, I would like to ask if any of you who are having trouble would be comfortable deleting the forum cookies on your computer. In Firefox, for example, you can hit F12 to open the debugging tools. Then you choose "Storage" and reload the forum page. You can see a list of cookies for the whole site, including forum cookies. The forum's cookies all start with "vb_" and there are several. You can delete them right from there. Then close the browser, open it again, and log in.

                              Anyone game for that? Thanks.
                              Dave Werden (ASCAP)
                              Euphonium Soloist, U.S. Coast Guard Band, retired
                              Adams Artist (Adams E3)
                              Alliance Mouthpiece DC3, Wick 4AL, Wick 4ABL
                              YouTube: dwerden
                              Facebook: davewerden
                              Twitter: davewerden
                              Instagram: davewerdeneuphonium

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                              • DaveBj
                                Senior Member
                                • Oct 2011
                                • 1064

                                #30
                                I have an IT guy who comes around and takes care of getting rid of my cookies.

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                                David Bjornstad

                                1923 Conn New Wonder 86I, Bach 6 1/2 AL
                                2018 Wessex EP100 Dolce, Denis Wick 4ABL
                                2013 Jinbao JBEP-1111L, Denis Wick 4AM
                                2015 Jinbao JBBR-1240, Denis Wick clone mouthpiece of unknown designation
                                Cullman (AL) Community Band (Euph Section Leader)
                                Brass Band of Huntsville (2nd Bari)

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