Problems Playing High G (concert pitch).

[DEF1]

I'm glad you've said this Lario. It would be great if anyone knew a fix.

[Lario]

Already! We forgot to mention that on this horn there is a trigger on the first slide. I also thought that it is the greater tolerance between internal and external tubes (to allow sliding) to cause this anomaly to G ..... I'm really sorry that my horn has this problem. .any help is welcome

[davewerden]

Further update:

After changing the cork me Euph did seem better but still not perfect. Tonight at band I tried a Besson Sovereign and was able to hit the note every time. This says something is still wrong with my own Euph, any ideas what it could be??

I don't think you've told us what kind of horn you have, which may affect the responses somewhat.

On one of my Besson New Standards and one or two of my Sovereign 967's (all British, before Buffet took over) I noticed over time that the concert G was a little stuffy. In my case I noticed it on the middle range (4th space on the bass clef staff). As I played slow scales that went through that note, I could hear more tone difference on that note than any of the others. It was not particularly hard to play, I suppose, but it did not feel the same as the other notes. Using 3rd valve alone for it solved the problem. That indicated that the combined passages with 12 were just a bit too twisty, perhaps. In any case, when I switched to Sterling I didn't notice it, and it is not an issue on my Adams.

Older Bessons were quite variable from one to the next. I have no doubt that many were great horns (I know because I played on a couple) and also that some "dogs" existed.

It is possible a good repair tech could find the trouble, too. Sometimes there is an obstruction inside the horn that simple cleaning would not remove. Or you can have internal leaks within a piston as well. Etc.

As your neighbor with the Prestige to blow on your horn and see if he/she notices anything odd.

[DEF1]

I don't think you've told us what kind of horn you have, which may affect the responses somewhat.

On one of my Besson New Standards and one or two of my Sovereign 967's (all British, before Buffet took over) I noticed over time that the concert G was a little stuffy. In my case I noticed it on the middle range (4th space on the bass clef staff). As I played slow scales that went through that note, I could hear more tone difference on that note than any of the others. It was not particularly hard to play, I suppose, but it did not feel the same as the other notes. Using 3rd valve alone for it solved the problem. That indicated that the combined passages with 12 were just a bit too twisty, perhaps. In any case, when I switched to Sterling I didn't notice it, and it is not an issue on my Adams.

Older Bessons were quite variable from one to the next. I have no doubt that many were great horns (I know because I played on a couple) and also that some "dogs" existed.

It is possible a good repair tech could find the trouble, too. Sometimes there is an obstruction inside the horn that simple cleaning would not remove. Or you can have internal leaks within a piston as well. Etc.

As your neighbor with the Prestige to blow on your horn and see if he/she notices anything odd.

Dave, post 12 above says it's a Courtois 167R. The same as Lario who also has the same problem with his 167R.

[davewerden]

Dave, post 12 above says it's a Courtois 167R. The same as Lario who also has the same problem with his 167R.

Sorry I missed that. However, in a general way, my comments about my Besson experience still apply. Your horn may simple have a bad note. I'd still check with a good repair shop. In the old Besson days, ex-Marine-Band euphoniumist Karl Humble had a repair show, and he was know for doing wonders with Bessons. Often he would just un-solder joints and re-solder them more precisely.

[Lario]

Thanks Dave for your interest !! My 167 seems to be well-cleaned lined valves (2mm felts are used) the removable leadpipe is well cleaned. It could not be the first slide that is not sufficiently precise due to the movement required to trigger. horn DEF1 same problem.Il and suffocated with both 12 and 3 so I was wrong to blame the first slide .. I will be repetitive but I'm sorry that the 167 have this problem ....

[RickF]

As Dave Werden stated some horns just have a bad note. If you’ve tried everything else you might like to read this from many years ago on TubeNet. I have it book marked as “Hooey Alert”. There are nodes and anti-nodes within a horn that can affect how a note responds. This post was about making a high B natural speak better. Then a high A by another player. It makes sense after reading it.

Hooey Alert - Now I’m a believer:
http://forums.chisham.com/viewtopic....0d3499#p121474