What mouthpiece am I describing

[Mikeflight14]

Ive been playing on my schilke 51d for 3 years now and im still having issues with high notes and response... in comparison to the 51d what mouthpiece am I describing:

Wide rim, large shallow cup, and a small throat

[dsurkin]

Ive been playing on my schilke 51d for 3 years now and im still having issues with high notes and response... in comparison to the 51d what mouthpiece am I describing:

Wide rim, large shallow cup, and a small throat

You may like something in the Steve Mead Ultra X line. The 4X has a rim about 1.02 inches and the 51D is about 1 inch (if I remember correctly). The SM6U has a rim diameter closer to 1 inch, but I don't believe it has the small throat you want. Alternatively, you can try assembling a mouthpiece to your specifications from components like Doug Elliott offers. He has a rim LT S51D, which is a copy of the 51D rim, and you can choose the cup and shank you like.

[Mikeflight14]

Could you link me to one, i dont want to buy the wrong one

[Mikeflight14]

Could you link me to one, im having a little bit of trouble

[davewerden]

Well, here is a link to the Mead Ultra 4x

https://www.amazon.com/Denis-Wick-DW...dp/B00O1X2316/

That's assuming your horn uses a large shank.

[Mikeflight14]

Do you know a website or where I could get it with the rim and cup hold played for my nickel allergy?

[davewerden]

The link I gave you is for a mouthpiece that is silver plated. Are you OK playing on silver?

[JTJ]

I would look at trombone mouthpieces for a shallow cup and a small throat.

[iiipopes]

You may like something in the Steve Mead Ultra X line. The 4X has a rim about 1.02 inches and the 51D is about 1 inch (if I remember correctly). The SM6U has a rim diameter closer to 1 inch, but I don't believe it has the small throat you want. Alternatively, you can try assembling a mouthpiece to your specifications from components like Doug Elliott offers. He has a rim LT S51D, which is a copy of the 51D rim, and you can choose the cup and shank you like.

Yes, the SM6 Ultra does have a smaller throat than the other SM mouthpieces. That's what I use for the same reasons as the OP states.
https://www.deniswick.com/product/st...silver-plated/

[MichaelSchott]

The SM4X is a good choice. It's shallower than the similar SM4U but allows for a lot of good response and flexibility.

How old are you and how much experience do you have? I ask because the 51D has been the gold standard concert band euphonium mouthpiece for many years. I can't recall many complaints about range issues with it. But then again mouthpieces are a very personal choice.

[mbrooke]

Ive been playing on my schilke 51d for 3 years now and im still having issues with high notes and response... in comparison to the 51d what mouthpiece am I describing:

Wide rim, large shallow cup, and a small throat

When you say wide rim, are you referring to the inner diameter or the actual width of the rim?

Mike

[cochranme]

You might try looking into some trombone mouthpieces. Greg Black and also the Alessi signature line both offer wider rims with Slater cups and backbores