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Thread: John Packer 274 - Thoughts?

  1. #11
    Thank you, Mr. Floyd! Slowly getting used to the E flat concert.

    On a side note, I love the texture of the valve caps, they are those pearl-like textured plastic or something? My Yamaha is just plain plating (and I noticed the Wessex too) and the layer of plating is gone on them now.

    Find that I need to grease the slides every week or else they feel rather stiff and there's sound of friction. They are still rather hard to remove and put back. I'm using the Yamaha slide grease.

    I also noticed some grease stain on them now, should I be worried about that? No idea how that came about and they stain seems kind of permanent, or maybe just very hard to remove. It got me rather worried.
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    "Never over complicate things. Accept "bad" days. And always enjoy yourself when playing, love the sound we can make on our instruments (because that's why we all started playing the Euphonium)"

    Euphonium: JP 274 MKII - 千歌
    Mouthpiece: K&G 4D, Denis Wick 5AL
    Gone but not forgotten: Yamaha EP100 - Euphy (May you serve the children well in the hands of your new owner. Thank you for the past 15 years)

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  2. #12
    Sorry foe the intrusion, but I just wanted to know if anyone knows the difference between models 274 and 374? The 374 costs twice as much as 274, apparently the same; in the specifications there is a difference in the use of the material, brass 70/30 against brass 80/20, case and mouthpiece different than the trigger, but I do not seem to differ such as to justify such a price difference.
    Besson Prestige 2052,3D K&G mouthpiece;JP373 baritone,T4C K&G mouthpiece;Bach 42GO trombone,T4C K&G mouthpiece

  3. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by franz View Post
    Sorry foe the intrusion, but I just wanted to know if anyone knows the difference between models 274 and 374? The 374 costs twice as much as 274, apparently the same; in the specifications there is a difference in the use of the material, brass 70/30 against brass 80/20, case and mouthpiece different than the trigger, but I do not seem to differ such as to justify such a price difference.
    Aside from what you mentioned, the JP374 also has the Sterling brand name attached to it, Paul Riggett had a hand in this horn. So it's more similar to a Sterling Virtuoso.

    Also, it's probably worth bringing up the other stuff that comes with it, a Denis Wick 4AL Mouthpiece and JP Pro Euphonium Case. Guess that's also where part of the extra price comes in.


    http://www.dwerden.com/forum/showthr...uphonium/page3 this thread may be interesting
    Last edited by ChristianeSparkle; 11-24-2018 at 06:02 PM.
    "Never over complicate things. Accept "bad" days. And always enjoy yourself when playing, love the sound we can make on our instruments (because that's why we all started playing the Euphonium)"

    Euphonium: JP 274 MKII - 千歌
    Mouthpiece: K&G 4D, Denis Wick 5AL
    Gone but not forgotten: Yamaha EP100 - Euphy (May you serve the children well in the hands of your new owner. Thank you for the past 15 years)

    https://soundcloud.com/ashsparkle_chika
    https://www.youtube.com/user/AshTSparkle/

  4. #14
    I've noticed that the 2 compensating tubes are really hard to pull out and be reinserted back. If I just rotate individual legs on their own, they are smooth. But once I try to insert the slides back in, it takes so much effort to push them in. The one on my 1st side even make a loud snapping sound when it gets inserted. I am guessing it means the slides aren't aligned?

    Is it a huge problem to keep the slides in and not touch them for months until I send the horn for servicing? Been taking them out to grease every 3 weeks or so, but the loud snapping sound is worrying me a little.
    "Never over complicate things. Accept "bad" days. And always enjoy yourself when playing, love the sound we can make on our instruments (because that's why we all started playing the Euphonium)"

    Euphonium: JP 274 MKII - 千歌
    Mouthpiece: K&G 4D, Denis Wick 5AL
    Gone but not forgotten: Yamaha EP100 - Euphy (May you serve the children well in the hands of your new owner. Thank you for the past 15 years)

    https://soundcloud.com/ashsparkle_chika
    https://www.youtube.com/user/AshTSparkle/

  5. #15
    Joining this thread way late. Have had my JP274S for three weeks now; it stands out well in my concert band. Sounds great at home. Loving it and so thankful to have discovered it via Algirdas Matonis comparison with the Jinbao Schiller Elite on youtube. Bought mine through DF Music. 10 years or so ago owned at one time Besson Prestige and Yamaha 642S. I feel as though I'm getting a similar sound and responsiveness from the JP274. So happy with the purchase and didn't have to fork over $10k to have a good solid horn.

  6. #16
    So it has been around 7 months since I've owned this horn. Been practicing almost every day and it's still throwing me some interesting curve balls. The 6th partial Eb, E, F have all be sharp and based on the inputs of some of the fine players on this forum, I've been using alternative fingerings to fix them. 1+2 for F, 1+3 for Eb, 1+4 for E.

    But here's the odd thing that happened in the past few days. At random points in my warm up or practice, there will be a few minutes where those pesky 6th partial will be in tune with the default fingerings. They sound open, resonant, slotted in and in tune. But only for a few minutes... after that I'm back to being too sharp and needing the alternative fingerings again.

    Guessing it's because I probably accidentally came across the sweet spot for the ratio of air pressure, embouchure tension and mouthpiece placement or something and can't replicate it well yet? I sent my teacher an email to see what she says, as she was talking about it earlier (My first proper euph lesson in my whole 15 years of playing!)
    "Never over complicate things. Accept "bad" days. And always enjoy yourself when playing, love the sound we can make on our instruments (because that's why we all started playing the Euphonium)"

    Euphonium: JP 274 MKII - 千歌
    Mouthpiece: K&G 4D, Denis Wick 5AL
    Gone but not forgotten: Yamaha EP100 - Euphy (May you serve the children well in the hands of your new owner. Thank you for the past 15 years)

    https://soundcloud.com/ashsparkle_chika
    https://www.youtube.com/user/AshTSparkle/

  7. #17
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    Are you using a tuner to check? Sometimes your ear can play tricks on you. Or the room and the acoustics you are dealing with might make certain notes "sound" different. Also, a horn is most always flatter when you first warm up or start to play, then gradually gets sharper as you warm up and play. Perhaps some of the 6th partial notes seem more in tune early on. But, make sure you use a tuner to check your suspicions.

    If I were to check my whole horn for intonation, I would fully warm up, play through all the valves and slides to make sure the entire horn is warmed up. THEN, check the tuning. Also, if you suspect your embouchure is not consistent or dialed in, do some slurs, long tones, arpeggios, etc. to get your chops nice and warmed up, too. THEN check tuning.
    John Morgan
    The U.S. Army Band (Pershing's Own) 1971-1976
    Adams E3 Custom Series Euphonium, Wessex EP-100 Dolce Euphonium, 1956 B&H Imperial Euphonium
    Adams TB1 Tenor Trombone, Yamaha YBL-822G Bass Trombone
    Wessex TE-360 Bombino Eb Tuba
    Rapid City New Horizons & Municipal Bands (Euphonium)
    Black Hills Symphony Orchestra (Bass Trombone), Powder River Symphony, Gillette, WY (Tenor Trombone)
    Black Hills Brass Quintet (Tuba)

  8. #18
    For my own practice, I find that I am perfectly capable (and apparently subconsciously happy) to push a note sharp that is otherwise in tune. High F is one example. It may be because I played horns that were sharp on that note for about 50 years and have only played an Adams for 7. Some hidden instincts may be taking over!

    But assuming you are fully warmed up as suggested already, then pay attention to the context of the note when it is in tune and when it is sharp. I seem to push it high when I am slurring up to it from a C, for example. That might be a clue to help you learn new habits.
    Dave Werden (ASCAP)
    Euphonium Soloist, U.S. Coast Guard Band, retired
    Adams E3, Denis Wick 4AL (classic)
    Instructor of Euphonium and Tuba
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  9. #19
    Thanks for the tips! Yes, I was checking them against the tuner on those times that it happened. The 2 times it happened, I remembered it being maybe 40 mins into playing/ warm.up, so it maybe be as you said, they were in tune early on before turning sharp. Will keep observing and try the tips your gave!
    "Never over complicate things. Accept "bad" days. And always enjoy yourself when playing, love the sound we can make on our instruments (because that's why we all started playing the Euphonium)"

    Euphonium: JP 274 MKII - 千歌
    Mouthpiece: K&G 4D, Denis Wick 5AL
    Gone but not forgotten: Yamaha EP100 - Euphy (May you serve the children well in the hands of your new owner. Thank you for the past 15 years)

    https://soundcloud.com/ashsparkle_chika
    https://www.youtube.com/user/AshTSparkle/

  10. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by davewerden View Post
    For my own practice, I find that I am perfectly capable (and apparently subconsciously happy) to push a note sharp that is otherwise in tune. High F is one example. It may be because I played horns that were sharp on that note for about 50 years and have only played an Adams for 7. Some hidden instincts may be taking over!

    But assuming you are fully warmed up as suggested already, then pay attention to the context of the note when it is in tune and when it is sharp. I seem to push it high when I am slurring up to it from a C, for example. That might be a clue to help you learn new habits.
    Thank you! Will keep in mind when it happens again. When I'm playing them sharp, I found it hard to lip down without compromising the tone quality. It felt different compared to those few minutes when the notes are in tune without any compromise to quality and volume. So there should be a context in which it is happening that I'm missing. (Wonder if it has to do with being tired? Like after walking up a flight of stairs or after finishing a long and tiring piece. I should test that out).
    "Never over complicate things. Accept "bad" days. And always enjoy yourself when playing, love the sound we can make on our instruments (because that's why we all started playing the Euphonium)"

    Euphonium: JP 274 MKII - 千歌
    Mouthpiece: K&G 4D, Denis Wick 5AL
    Gone but not forgotten: Yamaha EP100 - Euphy (May you serve the children well in the hands of your new owner. Thank you for the past 15 years)

    https://soundcloud.com/ashsparkle_chika
    https://www.youtube.com/user/AshTSparkle/

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