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  • Greg_R
    Member
    • Oct 2017
    • 37

    Suggested course of study for a returning player?

    Hi everyone,
    Is there a post somewhere suggesting a course of study for the returning euphonium player? I've been working on my long tones, scales, and arpeggios out of Arbans and I've ordered the Brass Gym book. Would Dr. Bowman's videos or other books be a good option? Most beginning texts spend a lot of time teaching musical notation and I don't need that. I'm looking for a good course to build my chops back up with technique reminders (e.g. jaw and tongue positions, things to look & listen for, etc.).

    I have ordered the bass clef version of Arbans to get the added commentary.
  • davewerden
    Administrator
    • Nov 2005
    • 11136

    #2
    You're on the right track already. I'm not sure how much (more) you can expect from books, though. An in-person teacher, especially who is accustomed to working with returning brass players, would be you best bet.
    Dave Werden (ASCAP)
    Euphonium Soloist, U.S. Coast Guard Band, retired
    Adams Artist (Adams E3)
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    • davewerden
      Administrator
      • Nov 2005
      • 11136

      #3
      But getting back to what you are currently trying, here's my best advice for a teacher-less experience.

      Find some good recordings of professional euphonium players doing pieces you are able to play technically. Do not push that "able to" envelope too far - I'd suggest slow pieces for now. Focus on one piece and listen several times to the recording to get the overall idea. Then do back-to-back comparisons of the recording vs. your own playing. Do one phrase at a time (a few bars only) and keep working until you are sounding like the recording. Then build on that as you work through the rest of the piece. If you are getting a good tone, good intonation, good attacks, good dynamics, good rubato when called for - which all sound like the recording - you are doing something right.
      Dave Werden (ASCAP)
      Euphonium Soloist, U.S. Coast Guard Band, retired
      Adams Artist (Adams E3)
      Alliance Mouthpiece DC3, Wick 4AL, Wick 4ABL
      YouTube: dwerden
      Facebook: davewerden
      Twitter: davewerden
      Instagram: davewerdeneuphonium

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      • RickF
        Moderator
        • Jan 2006
        • 3869

        #4
        Welcome back to the world of Brass playing Greg. Dave Werden offers great advice.

        I just started using 'Chickowitz Flow Studies' after watching a video of Terry Everson (trumpet) of Boston Univ.. This video was suggested by JVickers in the "Range and Tone" thread on proper warmup. I think from your first post above you might read treble clef. Here's a link to PDFs of Chicowitz if interested: http://www.gregwingtrumpet.com/uploa..._july_2013.pdf
        Last edited by RickF; 11-01-2017, 07:28 AM.
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        • JVickers
          Member
          • Feb 2009
          • 83

          #5
          Great suggestions above, and I would agree that the Cichowicz material is great and I do his flow studies daily. If you'd like them notated in bass clef, you can find them in the "Practice Resources" section of my website at jacevickers.com along with some other exercises I use with my college students. I add a 'tag' that takes advantage of the extended low range the euphonium has compared to the trumpet as well. The site's kind of a work in progress, but maybe you'll find some of the material helpful.

          Jace
          JACE VICKERS, DMA
          Assistant Director of Bands
          Assistant Professor of Low Brass
          East Central University

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          • enhite
            Senior Member
            • May 2012
            • 270

            #6
            The Vincent Chicowitz Flow Studies look useful for every brass player. What is the approximate metronome marking that you use?

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            • JVickers
              Member
              • Feb 2009
              • 83

              #7
              I play them as slowly as I can (or as fast as I need to) to play the whole line with a beautiful sound in one breath.
              JACE VICKERS, DMA
              Assistant Director of Bands
              Assistant Professor of Low Brass
              East Central University

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              • Greg_R
                Member
                • Oct 2017
                • 37

                #8
                Thank you for the suggestions everyone.

                David, how would you suggest going about finding a good teacher? The local music conservatory seems to be in between low brass instructors. I agree that having a teacher will accelerate my learning... maybe Santa can help out .

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                • davewerden
                  Administrator
                  • Nov 2005
                  • 11136

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Greg_R View Post
                  David, how would you suggest going about finding a good teacher? The local music conservatory seems to be in between low brass instructors. I agree that having a teacher will accelerate my learning... maybe Santa can help out .
                  In this day of Googling everything, there are a few holes! Personal networking is probably the most effective way to find a teacher. Is there a local community band? Talk to some of the brass players there. Some may have gone through what you are now in the midst of. For some of what you want, a French horn player could help. But for more complete help, my order of preference among the brass teachers would be euphonium, trumpet, tuba, trombone (and then French horn).
                  Dave Werden (ASCAP)
                  Euphonium Soloist, U.S. Coast Guard Band, retired
                  Adams Artist (Adams E3)
                  Alliance Mouthpiece DC3, Wick 4AL, Wick 4ABL
                  YouTube: dwerden
                  Facebook: davewerden
                  Twitter: davewerden
                  Instagram: davewerdeneuphonium

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                  • John Morgan
                    Moderator
                    • Apr 2014
                    • 1884

                    #10
                    Originally posted by JVickers View Post
                    Great suggestions above, and I would agree that the Cichowicz material is great and I do his flow studies daily. If you'd like them notated in bass clef, you can find them in the "Practice Resources" section of my website at jacevickers.com along with some other exercises I use with my college students. I add a 'tag' that takes advantage of the extended low range the euphonium has compared to the trumpet as well. The site's kind of a work in progress, but maybe you'll find some of the material helpful.

                    Jace
                    Jace,

                    Tried getting to the exercises on your site. Ran into Google messages and frame messages and a mess. Could not get to it. Have you checked it out?
                    John Morgan
                    The U.S. Army Band (Pershing's Own) 1971-1976
                    Adams E3 Custom Series Euphonium, 1956 B&H Imperial Euphonium,
                    1973 F. E. Olds & Son Studio Model T-31 Baritone
                    Adams TB1 Tenor Trombone, Yamaha YBL-822G Bass Trombone
                    Year Round Except Summer:
                    Kingdom of the Sun (KOS) Concert Band, Ocala, FL (Euphonium)
                    KOS Brass Quintet (Trombone, Euphonium)
                    Summer Only:
                    Rapid City Municipal Band, Rapid City, SD (Euphonium)
                    Rapid City New Horizons Band (Euphonium)

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                    • JVickers
                      Member
                      • Feb 2009
                      • 83

                      #11
                      I tweaked the way the Google sharing settings operate-- hopefully it will work now.
                      JACE VICKERS, DMA
                      Assistant Director of Bands
                      Assistant Professor of Low Brass
                      East Central University

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                      • John Morgan
                        Moderator
                        • Apr 2014
                        • 1884

                        #12
                        Originally posted by JVickers View Post
                        I tweaked the way the Google sharing settings operate-- hopefully it will work now.
                        That did it. Thanks!
                        John Morgan
                        The U.S. Army Band (Pershing's Own) 1971-1976
                        Adams E3 Custom Series Euphonium, 1956 B&H Imperial Euphonium,
                        1973 F. E. Olds & Son Studio Model T-31 Baritone
                        Adams TB1 Tenor Trombone, Yamaha YBL-822G Bass Trombone
                        Year Round Except Summer:
                        Kingdom of the Sun (KOS) Concert Band, Ocala, FL (Euphonium)
                        KOS Brass Quintet (Trombone, Euphonium)
                        Summer Only:
                        Rapid City Municipal Band, Rapid City, SD (Euphonium)
                        Rapid City New Horizons Band (Euphonium)

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