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    Quote Originally Posted by bbocaner View Post
    Here in washington DC the 2900 is by far the most popular model. And the bore is the same as besson prestige, adams, yamaha, and many others - and actually larger through the 4th valve than some of the others. It just has a smaller receiver (although a regular bass trombone size is optional) and I believe the bell throat and first few branches are somewhat smaller than some other models.
    I don't know if DC is an outlier due to the service bands and the euphonium students they teach. I've been in the brass band world for the last 23 years and the 2900 is a rare bird there. It's not talked about here very often either. This forum is a good cross section of US and international euphonium demand and usage.

  2. Quote Originally Posted by MichaelSchott View Post
    I don't know if DC is an outlier due to the service bands and the euphonium students they teach. I've been in the brass band world for the last 23 years and the 2900 is a rare bird there. It's not talked about here very often either. This forum is a good cross section of US and international euphonium demand and usage.
    This year's NABBA was dominated by Bessons, Yamahas, and Sterlings. There were a few Willsons and Adams (even saw a Wessex), but they were outliers.
    James Kircoff
    Genesee Wind Symphony - principal euphonium (Sterling Virtuoso w/ Parker 4G Houser)
    Capital City Brass Band (2019 NABBA 2nd section champions) - 1st baritone (Besson BE955 w/ Denis Wick 6BY) and 10 piece ensemble (Getzen 1052FD w/ Bach 1G)

  3. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by jkircoff View Post
    This year's NABBA was dominated by Bessons, Yamahas, and Sterlings. There were a few Willsons and Adams (even saw a Wessex), but they were outliers.
    It's probably fitting that Besson would be very strong there, given their 150+ years of history with brass banding. (I'm a little surprised there were not more Willsons, given their general market share here.)

    Adams has only been getting attention for 7 or 8 years and you're not going to find a used one very often, and certainly are not going to bring your own that you bought 20 years ago. Not being in a brass band I don't know if they are a good fit, but with all the models and options I have to think there would be a few combos that would work very well.

    Oh, and I'm glad to see Sterling is around in that world. They are a descendant of Besson and still (mostly) made in GB.
    Dave Werden (ASCAP)
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    Adams E3, Denis Wick 4AL (classic)
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    Another premium instrument? Crikey, that’s bold. I know that it won’t sell in the UK, just like Adams haven’t, Willson haven’t, Meinl haven’t, Hirsbrunner haven’t, or Yamaha haven’t, certainly not in the numbers they’d hope. (Certainly not helped by greedy, yet highly conservative, cautious dealers).

    I appreciate the UK is only a tiny country but it’s a pretty large demographic for euphoniums. The medium shank would be laughed out of town.

    “I’ve bought a new Shires euphonium and I’d like to try a different mouthpiece”.
    “Certainly, would you like a 4 or a 6AM.”
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    John Ridgeon 1LE

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    I had a recent conversation with the solo euphonium player of a top UK band, one of the most famous ones that's been around since the 19th century, who volunteered to me (without knowing that I played an Adams) that he had tried Adams and was very impressed, and that he would absolutely consider playing one if they'd give him one like Besson did. (!!)
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    Barry

  6. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by bbocaner View Post
    I had a recent conversation with the solo euphonium player of a top UK band, one of the most famous ones that's been around since the 19th century, who volunteered to me (without knowing that I played an Adams) that he had tried Adams and was very impressed, and that he would absolutely consider playing one if they'd give him one like Besson did. (!!)
    Thanks for sharing! As I have said, there are various reasons why a "XYZ Artist" may play that brand.

    I can't recall the specifics, but during my CG Band years I learned there was a famous XYZ Artist whose face appeared in XYZ print ads regularly. But many people in the profession had heard him say that he doesn't use XYZ for anything, but he lets XYZ pay him and use his photo in ads.
    Dave Werden (ASCAP)
    Euphonium Soloist, U.S. Coast Guard Band, retired
    Adams E3, Denis Wick 4AL (classic)
    Instructor of Euphonium and Tuba
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    Owner of TubaEuph.com, DWerden.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by bbocaner View Post
    I had a recent conversation with the solo euphonium player of a top UK band, one of the most famous ones that's been around since the 19th century, who volunteered to me (without knowing that I played an Adams) that he had tried Adams and was very impressed, and that he would absolutely consider playing one if they'd give him one like Besson did. (!!)
    It may have been said in jest, but that attitude sums up everything that is wrong with top level brass banding in the UK.

    These players make a living out of pastime that the rest of us pay to enjoy, and yet have the temerity to complain when they don’t get things for free.
    1983 Boosey & Hawkes Sovereign
    John Ridgeon 1LE

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    Honestly I don't think that's the case. I believe he was implying he didn't have 6000GBP to spend on a new instrument, not that he would only play an instrument from a manufacturer who gave him free stuff.
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    Ah yes. Well I drive a VW, but Iíd love a Porsche, if theyíd give me one for nothing.

    The most concerning thing for me about the Adams euphonium is that there are no brass band specialist shops (Normanís, Band Supplies, Trevada etc) prepared to sell them (they will supply the percussion if they absolutely must). Iím guessing that the discount efficient dealers get from Besson is a pretty big incentive for pushing one brand over another, and Iíd also guess that Adams donít want to discount (a good product doesnít need it).

    Iíd love a go on one, because itís probably the only brand Iíve not tried. There is one for sale on EBay at the moment at a not unreasonable price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simes View Post
    Ah yes. Well I drive a VW, but I’d love a Porsche, if they’d give me one for nothing.

    The most concerning thing for me about the Adams euphonium is that there are no brass band specialist shops (Norman’s, Band Supplies, Trevada etc) prepared to sell them (they will supply the percussion if they absolutely must). I’m guessing that the discount efficient dealers get from Besson is a pretty big incentive for pushing one brand over another, and I’d also guess that Adams don’t want to discount (a good product doesn’t need it).

    I’d love a go on one, because it’s probably the only brand I’ve not tried. There is one for sale on EBay at the moment at a not unreasonable price.
    It could also be that the dealers don't want to jeopardize their Besson franchises by picking up Adams euphoniums. Besson has been the standard for 100 years or so and they are heavily established as the go to horn in Great Britain and much of the world. Last, I don't think Adams has the production capacity of Besson, probably not even close.

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