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Thread: Need help choosing one out of 3 available euphoniums from $639-$985

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    Question Need help choosing one out of 3 available euphoniums from $639-$985

    Hello everyone,
    I am going to enter my second year in college and my instructor infomed me that the euphonium I was using was one of the worst ones, a Jean Baptiste. I do not wan't to keep renting it so instead I have decided to have a really small budget of $1000 and under. Unfortunately there are no facilities or good music stores anywhere to try euphoniums. I know its rather difficult to rely on some online shopping sites, so I have been checking Amazon. Right now I am looking at 3 euphoniums that are on the stronger side of the cheap end. They are:

    1. Cecilio 2Series EP-280 Lacquer Brass Bb Euphonium with Stainless Steel Pistons

    Lacquered Yellow brass body and bell Bb euphonium with rose-brass lead pipe
    Lightweight, .566" bore, 12" upright bell
    4 stainless steel smooth top action pistons
    Includes: silver plated mouthpiece, pro-deluxe hard case, polishing cloth and a pair of gloves
    1 Year Warranty Against Manufacturer's Defects
    price is $639.99

    2. Schiller 400 Series 4-Valve Euphonium

    Big, Warm Sound
    Modern Inline 4-Valve Block
    Key of Bb
    Mouthpiece Included
    Case Included
    price is $565.95 (+ 45.29 shipping)

    and 3. Schiller Elite IV Euphonium Gold Inline

    Professional 4 Valve Inline Euphonium
    Plazma Welded Bell
    Dual .591-661" Bore
    12" 80/20 Heavy Duty Bell
    Genuine Schiller Mouthpiece and Hard Case
    price is $985.00 (+ 4.49 shipping)

    I would really appreciate your opinions. Thank you.

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    Welcome to the forum! The only one on your list that I think may be acceptable, is the last one, the Schiller. I suspect your quote for shipping must be wrong. The Wessex Dolce or Mack Brass for a bit more money ($1200 - $1400) would be better. They're both made in China, but with more quality control for a dependable product.

    See this post: (be sure to read post #8 by Jonathan)
    http://www.dwerden.com/forum/showthr...w#.WUkkKLEpChA

    Here's a link for prices of new Wessex:
    https://www.wessex-tubas.com/shop/eu...lce-euphonium/
    Rick Floyd
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    I know your budget is limited, but the three choices you've listed are little, if any, better than what you currently have. Schillers can be OK, but quality is really hit and miss. For $200-$300 more you can get a Mack Brass or Wessex 3+1 compensating horn that would be very decent. I think you'll find lots of validation of that opinion if you read through this forum.

    I notice that the three you list are all 4-valve inline models, like the Yamaha 321. Is there a reason you aren't looking at compensating instruments?

    Have you asked your instructor what he/she recommends?
    Last edited by howrdhodge; 06-20-2017 at 09:53 AM.

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    This is only my opinion, but if you are second year of college, shouldn't you have at least a 4v comp euph already? Are you studying music or another subject?

    I would agree with Rick. Out of the three, the only one that would be barely passable would be the Schiller Elite IV, but even then, you can find much better value (performance to cost). I know you may have a very limited budget, but you would be much better off paying a bit extra and going with a Wessex Dolce. Unfortunately with instruments, you get what you pay for. For $1000 and under, you will be very hard pressed to find anything of good quality that will get you through college.
    Last edited by Cameron J.; 06-22-2017 at 08:04 AM.

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    Buy a Wessex.

    Or a good used Yamaha 321.

    Don't waste your $ on those others.

    Dennis
    1966 Besson 181 highly modified New Standard
    1915 York Bb tenorhorn original
    2019 Wessex Tornister

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    If you are a music major, don't think about the choices you showed in your post. At least a Wessex or Mack Brass. Talk with your teacher. If he/she recommends any of those horns you mentioned, AND if you are a music major, get another teacher.
    John Morgan
    The U.S. Army Band (Pershing's Own) 1971-1976
    Adams E3 Custom Series Euphonium, Wessex EP-100 Dolce Euphonium, 1956 B&H Imperial Euphonium
    Adams TB1 Tenor Trombone, Yamaha YBL-822G Bass Trombone
    Kingdom of the Sun (KOS) Concert Band, Ocala, FL (Euphonium)
    KOS Brass Quintet (Trombone, Euphonium)

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    Max,
    For what it is worth, I bought a Schiller Elite compensating euphonium (the $885 one) and have been happy with it. If you are firm at staying below $1000, you can do fine with Schiller. If you can spring a little more go Mack Brass, and if you can spring even more go Wessex. Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by howrdhodge View Post
    I know your budget is limited, but the three choices you've listed are little, if any, better than what you currently have. Schillers can be OK, but quality is really hit and miss. For $200-$300 more you can get a Mack Brass or Wessex 3+1 compensating horn that would be very decent. I think you'll find lots of validation of that opinion if you read through this forum.

    I notice that the three you list are all 4-valve inline models, like the Yamaha 321. Is there a reason you aren't looking at compensating instruments?

    Have you asked your instructor what he/she recommends?
    I am looking at compensating euphs but I din't realize that ALL of them have the fourth valve on the side, as I have never played one in that design. Unfortunately Wessex and Mac Brass are not on Amazon and is outside my budget. Right now I have also just been looking at a
    Schiller Elite Compensating Euphonium ($985), a Stagg WS-EP245 Bb Euphonium ($830) and a Ravel REP204 4-Valve Euphonium ($828).

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    You stated your budget was $1000 or less. You can get a brand new Mack Brass Euphonium for $995. This is a MUCH BETTER horn than any of the ones you have spoken about, in my humble opinion. If you are serious about playing/studying euphonium, the Mack Brass is such a better choice. What does the euphonium being on or not being on Amazon have to do with anything? Is that the only place you will buy? Do you have some sort of credit with Amazon? Not understanding that. If you are worried about buying outside of Amazon, don't be if you select a Mack Brass or Wessex. Highly reputable and secure in doing business with them. For inexpensive euphoniums, Wessex and Mack Brass are the clear choices, the others not nearly as much and some a complete waste of money.
    John Morgan
    The U.S. Army Band (Pershing's Own) 1971-1976
    Adams E3 Custom Series Euphonium, Wessex EP-100 Dolce Euphonium, 1956 B&H Imperial Euphonium
    Adams TB1 Tenor Trombone, Yamaha YBL-822G Bass Trombone
    Kingdom of the Sun (KOS) Concert Band, Ocala, FL (Euphonium)
    KOS Brass Quintet (Trombone, Euphonium)

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    I agree with everything John said. I too don't understand why the new horn has to come from Amazon.
    Rick Floyd
    Miraphone 5050 - Warburton Brandon Jones sig mpc
    YEP-641S (recently sold)
    Doug Elliott - 102 rim; I-cup; I-9 shank


    "Always play with a good tone, never louder than lovely, never softer than supported." - author unknown.
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    Greensleeves (arr. Alfred Reed)


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