Robbert Vos plays on a K&G mouthpiece and on his site he states "The inside edgeis very round and comfortable" has anyone on the forum experience of these mouthpieces
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I tried one out. It was really beautifully made and I think the rim is indeed very comfortable. I would characterize the rim as being fairly flat and wide, similar to denis wick or the standard doug elliott rim. The inside edge is certainly rounded over and is very comfortable, but it's a relatively sharp bite.
Their sizes are much smaller than the measurements on their web site would lead you to believe. I would pick out what you think is right and go one or two sizes bigger. Because of this, I tried out a mouthpiece that was much smaller than what I am used to and consequently I don't really have any good observations about what they sound like.
I also had an issue with the stem bottoming out in the receiver of my instrument and thus it wobbled a tiny bit.
My biggest problem was that, after trying it out and realizing it wasn't going to work for me, they gave me a really hard time about returning it despite their advertising a 15-day trial policy on their web site. They wrote me and said that they would exchange for a different size, but only ONCE and that they wouldn't offer me the ability to try other sizes. I didn't think this was workable and I asked for a refund, which they took their time in providing -- and they sent the refund as a paypal payment to me rather than as a refund, so I had to pay the commission to paypal.--
Barry
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I was not fully satisfied with a SM 3.5, I decided to try a K&G 3.5 with my UK besson prestige. The result is very good. I can play the full range (C# below the stuff till high F - still struggled to reach high G, but it is the player the problem...). Good articulation and flexibility. I guess that the K&G 3.5 is more like a DW 4 than a 3.5.
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I'm using K & G mouthpieces since about one year and half both on euphonium, trombone and baritone. I confirm they are excellent and perfectly fit for me: best sound projection, best endurance, best intonation. The only problem is their comparison table that gives a smaller cup diameter than reality.(K&G 3 is relevant to DWSM3 - K&G 4 is relevant to Schilke 51).2007 Besson Prestige 2052, 3D+ K&G mouthpiece; JP373 baritone, 4B modified K&G mouthpiece; Bach 42GO trombone, T4C K&G mouthpiece; 1973 Besson New Standard 3 compensated valves, 3D+ K&G modified mouthpiece; Wessex French C tuba, 3D+ K&G modified mouthpiece.
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For my York 4052 I started on a DW 4AL, then SM4U and gradually got smaller in terms of rim diameter over the next 5 years until I found a size comfortable to me - a Bach 5G. I felt really at ease with this size but the tone wasn't a patch on the larger DWs I used to play on and the intonation was challenging right across the range.
I got in touch with K&G via email and wanted to try a 5.5D as that is what matched up with their comparison chart. K&G actually told me that although the diameter of a 5.5D matches up with a Bach 5G the way the mouthpiece is actually designed means that the internal diameter below the rim will be narrower so advised me to try a 4.5D and a 5D instead.
I tried both and they sounded great, seemed to add more character to the sound (like I was playing on a much bigger diameter mouthpiece) and the 5D was the easier to play so I went with that but at the time I really regretted not trying the 5.5D. I have a small mouth and fairly thin lips so the contact area on my lips and not the cup volume is more of the issue for me I think.
I played on the 5D for a while but in the search to find something that gave me more ease in the high range like a Bach 5G I then got a DC5. The DC5 is definitely smaller and much closer to the Bach 5G than a K&G 5D. I was really happy playing on the DC5 for 6 months and then out of the blue I decided to play the K&G 5D for a hour in our big church hall and compare it to the DC5. There is no doubt the DC5 was easier to play and the notes slotted far better and if i had never tried a K&G I would think the DC5 is the mouthpiece for me but the K&G gave me such a great sound so I've spent the last 6 months persevering with the 5D and have never been happier with my sound and my upper range is now back to where I was with the Bach 5G (still not great but at least it hasn't gone backwards) and my stamina has improved.
I've rambled on without really saying much so I guess I have three points to make:
You have to be able to try mouthpieces as comparison charts can only tell you so much
It can take a long time to adapt to a new mouthpiece and really know if it works for you
I think K&G mouthpieces are really really good - if you can nail down the right size.
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Originally posted by graeme View PostThanks for replies, All the mouthpieces I use are 26mm cup diameter the K&G 4.5 is 25.9 and the K&G 4.0 is 26.2 I am inclined to go for the latter with my Prestige 2052
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Originally posted by EuphoJon View PostFor my York 4052 I started on a DW 4AL, then SM4U and gradually got smaller in terms of rim diameter over the next 5 years until I found a size comfortable to me - a Bach 5G. I felt really at ease with this size but the tone wasn't a patch on the larger DWs I used to play on and the intonation was challenging right across the range......John Morgan
The U.S. Army Band (Pershing's Own) 1971-1976
Adams E3 Custom Series Euphonium, 1956 B&H Imperial Euphonium,1973 F. E. Olds & Son Studio Model T-31 BaritoneAdams TB1 Tenor Trombone, Yamaha YBL-822G Bass Trombone
Year Round Except Summer:Kingdom of the Sun (KOS) Concert Band, Ocala, FL (Euphonium)Summer Only:
KOS Brass Quintet (Trombone, Euphonium)Rapid City Municipal Band, Rapid City, SD (Euphonium)
Rapid City New Horizons Band (Euphonium)
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Originally posted by John Morgan View Post[snip]"The tone wasn't a patch on the larger DWs....." What the heck does that mean?Dean L. Surkin
Mack Brass MACK-EU1150S, BB1 mouthpiece
Bach 36B trombone; Bach 6.5AL and Faxx 7C mouthpieces (pBone on loan to granddaughter)
Steinway 1902 Model A, restored by AC Pianocraft in 1988; Kawai MP8, Yamaha KX-76
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Originally posted by dsurkin View PostGenerally, "isn't a patch on..." means "doesn't come close to..."John Morgan
The U.S. Army Band (Pershing's Own) 1971-1976
Adams E3 Custom Series Euphonium, 1956 B&H Imperial Euphonium,1973 F. E. Olds & Son Studio Model T-31 BaritoneAdams TB1 Tenor Trombone, Yamaha YBL-822G Bass Trombone
Year Round Except Summer:Kingdom of the Sun (KOS) Concert Band, Ocala, FL (Euphonium)Summer Only:
KOS Brass Quintet (Trombone, Euphonium)Rapid City Municipal Band, Rapid City, SD (Euphonium)
Rapid City New Horizons Band (Euphonium)
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John, I guess we've both led sheltered lives, because that is a new phrase for me, too!Dave Werden (ASCAP)
Euphonium Soloist, U.S. Coast Guard Band, retired
Adams Artist (Adams E3)
Alliance Mouthpiece DC3, Wick 4AL, Wick 4ABL
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