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Thread: "Old" Wick 4AL vs. "New" Wick 4AL

  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by graeme View Post
    So now we have the quarter in the cup test for depth, has anyone devised a test for comparing inner rim sharpness ?
    The quarter test on euphonium mouthpieces is really a test of cup width, not depth so much. With our common sizes, the quarter hits the side long before it would hit the bottom.

    As far as inner rim sharpness, there are a lot of factors that affect how the rim feels, and the apparent sharpness of a particular rim may be caused by other things. Check out this page:

    http://www.grmouthpieces.com/rim.html

    In his lexicon you are talking about the "bite" of the mouthpiece.
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  2. #22
    Here is a full view of a mouthpiece with some terms defined:
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by davewerden View Post
    The quarter test on euphonium mouthpieces is really a test of cup width, not depth so much. With our common sizes, the quarter hits the side long before it would hit the bottom.

    As far as inner rim sharpness, there are a lot of factors that affect how the rim feels, and the apparent sharpness of a particular rim may be caused by other things. Check out this page:

    http://www.grmouthpieces.com/rim.html

    In his lexicon you are talking about the "bite" of the mouthpiece.
    Thanks for the link

  4. Hi Doug,

    Have you tried weighing them? I seem to recall that the older 4AL's have more weight.
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by DutchEupho View Post
    Hi Doug,

    Have you tried weighing them? I seem to recall that the older 4AL's have more weight.
    I have not, but I can guarantee the old one is lighter due to its thinner rim. All other dimensions appearing to be the same.
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    This is most curious as Iíd always preferred the old 4ALs - I find the new ones too bright sounding. I have about 5 of them, and when picking my Globe Sovereign specified the oldest 4AL the seller had. I donít use it all the time, but wanted it for marching because my everyday mouthpiece is irreplaceable, and I couldnít face the thought of damaging it through clumsiness.

  7. Hi Doug,

    I've compared a "old" 4AL with a "new" 4AL to and noticed that the old one goes in to my receiver a lot further. It's a difference of approx 3mm. This gives a totally different feel if I don't adjust the AGR settings on my E3.
    The "old" 4AL gives a far more open sound then the newer one.
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  8. Aren't the current production all CNC lathe made? They should be extremely consistent now, while back in the "old days" when the template, scoop, or drill bit got worn, the specs would change a bit.

    Still, looking back at the beginning of the thread, that's a pretty big difference. I wonder if they rearranged the sizing somehow.
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