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Thread: "Old" Wick 4AL vs. "New" Wick 4AL

  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by graeme View Post
    So now we have the quarter in the cup test for depth, has anyone devised a test for comparing inner rim sharpness ?
    The quarter test on euphonium mouthpieces is really a test of cup width, not depth so much. With our common sizes, the quarter hits the side long before it would hit the bottom.

    As far as inner rim sharpness, there are a lot of factors that affect how the rim feels, and the apparent sharpness of a particular rim may be caused by other things. Check out this page:

    http://www.grmouthpieces.com/rim.html

    In his lexicon you are talking about the "bite" of the mouthpiece.
    Dave Werden (ASCAP)
    Euphonium Soloist, U.S. Coast Guard Band, retired
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  2. #22
    Here is a full view of a mouthpiece with some terms defined:
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    Dave Werden (ASCAP)
    Euphonium Soloist, U.S. Coast Guard Band, retired
    Adams E3, Denis Wick 4AL (classic)
    Instructor of Euphonium and Tuba
    Twitter: davewerden
    Facebook: davewerden
    YouTube: dwerden
    Owner of TubaEuph.com, DWerden.com

  3. Quote Originally Posted by davewerden View Post
    The quarter test on euphonium mouthpieces is really a test of cup width, not depth so much. With our common sizes, the quarter hits the side long before it would hit the bottom.

    As far as inner rim sharpness, there are a lot of factors that affect how the rim feels, and the apparent sharpness of a particular rim may be caused by other things. Check out this page:

    http://www.grmouthpieces.com/rim.html

    In his lexicon you are talking about the "bite" of the mouthpiece.
    Thanks for the link

  4. Hi Doug,

    Have you tried weighing them? I seem to recall that the older 4AL's have more weight.
    Euphonium: Adams E3 Custom Series (SS Bell)
    Mouthpiece: Warburton Demondrae, AR Resonance ML72 E with L E backbore
    Trombone: Benge 175F
    Mouthpiece: AR Resonance 26

  5. Quote Originally Posted by DutchEupho View Post
    Hi Doug,

    Have you tried weighing them? I seem to recall that the older 4AL's have more weight.
    I have not, but I can guarantee the old one is lighter due to its thinner rim. All other dimensions appearing to be the same.
    Sterling Virtuoso 1052HS & Adams E3 Prototype 0.70 Top Sprung valves
    Sterling Virtuoso 1050HS baritone & Conn 24I/25I euphonium
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    Winchendon Winds/Townsend Military Band

  6. #26
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    This is most curious as Iíd always preferred the old 4ALs - I find the new ones too bright sounding. I have about 5 of them, and when picking my Globe Sovereign specified the oldest 4AL the seller had. I donít use it all the time, but wanted it for marching because my everyday mouthpiece is irreplaceable, and I couldnít face the thought of damaging it through clumsiness.

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