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  • John the Theologian
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2013
    • 245

    Tuba Christmas

    Yesterday I took part in my 1st official Tuba Christmas-- in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. I've done smaller ensembles of this type on several occasions-- the Collegium Tubum at the University of Iowa, but this was my first mass ensemble-- around 75 players.

    It was a lot of fun and I would like to do it again. However, at the one yesterday euphoniums were outnumbered by tubas by about 2-1. According to my wife in the audience, this contributed to a somewhat muddy sounding ensemble and the upper voices sometimes were drowned out by the lower voices.

    Have others of you had the same experience?

    It seems as if tuba players especially get excited about Tuba Christmas. I have some euphonium playing friends that I might try harder to get to participate in the future.
  • John Morgan
    Moderator
    • Apr 2014
    • 1884

    #2
    I have done this about 10 times over the years, some in Washington state, some in Texas and some in South Dakota where I am now. Most of the time, there have been enough euphoniums. One thing that continually bugs me at the Tuba Christmas in South Dakota (Rapid City), is that every year, a trombone player shows up, and plays so loud that it is really annoying, and he stands out like a sore thumb. I asked the organizers to suggest to this chap that he either find a euphonium or find another venue. So much for my suggestion, seems like the organizers have taken a gentler approach and allowed this chap to play each year. I can only keep hoping. I know, I am a Scrooge, I should let the poor chap play and keep my mouth shut...
    John Morgan
    The U.S. Army Band (Pershing's Own) 1971-1976
    Adams E3 Custom Series Euphonium, 1956 B&H Imperial Euphonium,
    1973 F. E. Olds & Son Studio Model T-31 Baritone
    Adams TB1 Tenor Trombone, Yamaha YBL-822G Bass Trombone
    Year Round Except Summer:
    Kingdom of the Sun (KOS) Concert Band, Ocala, FL (Euphonium)
    KOS Brass Quintet (Trombone, Euphonium)
    Summer Only:
    Rapid City Municipal Band, Rapid City, SD (Euphonium)
    Rapid City New Horizons Band (Euphonium)

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    • daniel76309
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2012
      • 376

      #3
      No, I agree with you. You have to draw the line somewhere--it isn't really meant for woodwinds, strings, etc., either.

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      • davewerden
        Administrator
        • Nov 2005
        • 11136

        #4
        Perhaps trombone players should be required to use a bucket mute.
        Dave Werden (ASCAP)
        Euphonium Soloist, U.S. Coast Guard Band, retired
        Adams Artist (Adams E3)
        Alliance Mouthpiece DC3, Wick 4AL, Wick 4ABL
        YouTube: dwerden
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        • SteveP
          Member
          • Jul 2014
          • 68

          #5
          Better yet a practice mute.
          Steve Petrangelo
          Lake Havasu Regional Orchestra (trombone/treasurer)

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          • RickF
            Moderator
            • Jan 2006
            • 3871

            #6
            If they have a slide they should just, "slide on outta here".
            Rick Floyd
            Miraphone 5050 - Warburton BJ / RF mpc

            "Always play with a good tone, never louder than lovely, never softer than supported." - author unknown.
            Symphonic Band of the Palm Beaches

            El Cumbanchero (Raphael Hernandez, arr. Naohiro Iwai)
            The Cowboys (John Williams, arr. James Curnow)
            Festive Overture (Dmitri Shostakovich)
            ​

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            • John Morgan
              Moderator
              • Apr 2014
              • 1884

              #7
              Originally posted by RickF View Post
              If they have a slide they should just, "slide on outta here".
              I like that answer. Perhaps I can suggest that this year (next Sunday, Dec 11th). I also like the mute ideas. My favorite ideas are to give his car a flat tire so he can't make it to the rehearsal and gig and/or send him an erroneous email giving the wrong date for the event. I am so mean!!
              John Morgan
              The U.S. Army Band (Pershing's Own) 1971-1976
              Adams E3 Custom Series Euphonium, 1956 B&H Imperial Euphonium,
              1973 F. E. Olds & Son Studio Model T-31 Baritone
              Adams TB1 Tenor Trombone, Yamaha YBL-822G Bass Trombone
              Year Round Except Summer:
              Kingdom of the Sun (KOS) Concert Band, Ocala, FL (Euphonium)
              KOS Brass Quintet (Trombone, Euphonium)
              Summer Only:
              Rapid City Municipal Band, Rapid City, SD (Euphonium)
              Rapid City New Horizons Band (Euphonium)

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              • ghmerrill
                Senior Member
                • Dec 2011
                • 2382

                #8
                The original idea of Tuba Christmas (and keep in mind it's called "TUBA Christmas" for a reason) was to provide for an ensemble of conical bore low brass instruments. The invitation on the web site says "Tuba and euphonium players are again invited to participate in one or more of the TUBACHRISTMAS concerts/events presented throughout the world." It doesn't say "low brass players" or "brass players". In fact, for what it's worth, the Wikipedia page on Tuba Christmas lists "conical bore" as one of the requirements. And this requirement is repeated on a number of other sites. I don't know whether these are all copying from the Wikipedia page or the Wikipedia page is copying from somewhere else, but it's safe to say that there appears to be a near universal view that Tuba Christmas is for conical bore instruments in the "tuba family". Alto horns definitely count. I"m not sure about flugelhorns (though, morphologically, I would count them).

                Trumpets, cornets, French horns, trombones? No. Serpents? Tough question. I think they should be grandfathered in -- and have played in Tuba Christmas events where a Serpent has appeared. Ophicleide? I'd say no, but I can see the controversy.

                In full disclosure, I have in recent years organized small ensemble performances playing out of the Tuba Christmas book. Some of these have been euphonium/tuba groups and others have included trombones. But these aren't official Tuba Christmas events. It works with the trombones. It's okay. But it doesn't sound as good -- not to me anyway. And there's just nothing wrong with restricting these official Tuba Christmas events to conical bore instruments. It's the sound that Harvey Phillips was interested in, and it's something special. If you need to use a trombone to play that music, by all means do so. But maybe use a bit of common sense and consideration, and don't show up at a Tuba Christmas expecting to be welcomed into it.

                Gary Merrill
                Wessex EEb Bass tuba (DW 3XL or 2XL)
                Mack Brass Compensating Euph (DE N106, Euph J, J9 euph)
                Amati Oval Euph (DE 104, Euph J, J6 euph)
                1924 Buescher 3-valve Eb tuba (with std US receiver), Kelly 25
                Schiller American Heritage 7B clone bass trombone (DE LB K/K10/112/14 Lexan, Brass Ark MV50R)
                1947 Olds "Standard" trombone (Olds #3)

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                • CEBunker
                  Member
                  • Mar 2015
                  • 71

                  #9
                  Loan the trombone player a euphonium! Tell him to take off the black hat and put on the white hat!

                  Loved doing tube Christmas; thats why I'm teaching my son to play - so we can do it together.
                  Chris Bunker
                  Adams E1, Wick 4AL

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                  • davewerden
                    Administrator
                    • Nov 2005
                    • 11136

                    #10
                    The euphonium players there should warm up loudly (and not all that well) on "I'm Getting Sentimental" and "Lassus Trombone" etc. Maybe he would get the hint. Advanced euphonium players could warm up on the trombone solo from Bolero or the Rimsky-Korsakov trombone concerto.
                    Dave Werden (ASCAP)
                    Euphonium Soloist, U.S. Coast Guard Band, retired
                    Adams Artist (Adams E3)
                    Alliance Mouthpiece DC3, Wick 4AL, Wick 4ABL
                    YouTube: dwerden
                    Facebook: davewerden
                    Twitter: davewerden
                    Instagram: davewerdeneuphonium

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                    • John Morgan
                      Moderator
                      • Apr 2014
                      • 1884

                      #11
                      The music warm up choices are good, HOWEVER, this chap, while he seems to be beyond high school in years old and shaggy whisker growth, is clearly not even close to being beyond college and having attained the requisite smarts along the way to know anything about the warm up pieces you suggested, and furthermore, not knowing a whit about anything, he is absolutely oblivious to the concept that YOU DON'T SHOW UP FOR TUBA CHRISTMAS WITH A STUPID TROMBONE, and if you do, you should expect a tuba or euphonium player to place it where the sun doesn't shine!

                      I have learned to write long sentences as our local newspaper allows you to rant, but only for one sentence....
                      John Morgan
                      The U.S. Army Band (Pershing's Own) 1971-1976
                      Adams E3 Custom Series Euphonium, 1956 B&H Imperial Euphonium,
                      1973 F. E. Olds & Son Studio Model T-31 Baritone
                      Adams TB1 Tenor Trombone, Yamaha YBL-822G Bass Trombone
                      Year Round Except Summer:
                      Kingdom of the Sun (KOS) Concert Band, Ocala, FL (Euphonium)
                      KOS Brass Quintet (Trombone, Euphonium)
                      Summer Only:
                      Rapid City Municipal Band, Rapid City, SD (Euphonium)
                      Rapid City New Horizons Band (Euphonium)

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