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  • Jonathantuba
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2013
    • 296

    NEW Front-Action Compensated Euphonium

    The NEW Wessex Tubas EP104 'Festivo' front-action compensated euphonium. The new Festivo has the compensated system of the regular euphonium combined with the much greater ergonomic comfort of front action valves which mean the arms are in much more comfortable position. Designed so the 4th valve can be operated by the left hand like regular top action euphonium, or the little finger of the right hand as on many tubas.

    The prototype Festivo will be on display and available to try at ITEC, Knoxville, USA in one month - and expected to be available to purchase from November 2016







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  • iiipopes
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2016
    • 347

    #2
    Any specs yet as to bore size, bell diameter, weight, etc.? I surmise it will have the standard large receiver? Thanks.

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    • Jonathantuba
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2013
      • 296

      #3
      Will have regular large (bass trombone size) receiver. Bore is identical to Dolce euphonium of 15mm (0.59′′) valves 1-3, 16.8mm (0.66′′) 4th valve. Bell diameter is 300mm on prototype, but we are looking at reducing to 280mm on production model to make a tonal difference from the Dolce.

      Weight of prototype is around 9¼lb.

      The idea was to make a euphonium that played as well as the Dolce, with the greater comfort of the front valves. Initial indications are it may even play better with it straighter route through the bugle.
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      • ghmerrill
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2011
        • 2382

        #4
        Originally posted by Jonathantuba View Post
        The new Festivo has the compensated system of the regular euphonium combined with the much greater ergonomic comfort of front action valves which mean the arms are in much more comfortable position. Designed so the 4th valve can be operated by the left hand like regular top action euphonium, or the little finger of the right hand as on many tubas.
        This is a very interesting (and I would even say "innovative") approach to the design of the instrument. I'm afraid it will make it difficult for some people to continue with the argument that the Chinese instruments are simply "copies" of Western designs. Of course, perhaps the design is "western" (UK?), but it matters little since the real importance lies in the result.

        Personally, I'm a little skeptical of the ergonomics -- for myself. But I can't really make a judgment on that until I try the instrument. I was previously skeptical of my ability to use a 3+1 instrument, but now I'm not inclined to consider anything else. I thought that the top-action valves coupled with the side fourth valve would give me more problems with my shoulder arthritis. But they didn't, and in fact they seem more comfortable -- for me anyway. I do suspect that this instrument may be noticeably easier to play while standing or marching.

        There are definitely advantages to a front-action horn like this -- not the least of which is how water drains in it.

        So I guess the real question is "When will the replaceable bell front / bell up model be released?".
        Gary Merrill
        Wessex EEb Bass tuba (DW 3XL or 2XL)
        Mack Brass Compensating Euph (DE N106, Euph J, J9 euph)
        Amati Oval Euph (DE 104, Euph J, J6 euph)
        1924 Buescher 3-valve Eb tuba (with std US receiver), Kelly 25
        Schiller American Heritage 7B clone bass trombone (DE LB K/K10/112/14 Lexan, Brass Ark MV50R)
        1947 Olds "Standard" trombone (Olds #3)

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        • Jonathantuba
          Senior Member
          • Apr 2013
          • 296

          #5
          Originally posted by ghmerrill View Post
          So I guess the real question is "When will the replaceable bell front / bell up model be released?".
          No plans for bell front on this model. The height of the upward bell makes it not suitable for so configuring.

          This euphonium you can say "designed in UK, manufactured in China"!

          I am trying to move Wessex away from selling clones, except where it is to resurrect discontinued designs. A completely new bass trombone is also in development, as well as tubas.
          Last edited by Jonathantuba; 05-01-2016, 04:41 PM.
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          • John Morgan
            Moderator
            • Apr 2014
            • 1884

            #6
            This is very intriguing! Well done. Have you been able to tell if there will be water or other sundry things spewing from the bottom of the valves? I know they are now mostly sideways. I can't remember back 50 years if my student model baritones spewed stuff from the bottom of the valves or not.
            John Morgan
            The U.S. Army Band (Pershing's Own) 1971-1976
            Adams E3 Custom Series Euphonium, 1956 B&H Imperial Euphonium,
            1973 F. E. Olds & Son Studio Model T-31 Baritone
            Adams TB1 Tenor Trombone, Yamaha YBL-822G Bass Trombone
            Year Round Except Summer:
            Kingdom of the Sun (KOS) Concert Band, Ocala, FL (Euphonium)
            KOS Brass Quintet (Trombone, Euphonium)
            Summer Only:
            Rapid City Municipal Band, Rapid City, SD (Euphonium)
            Rapid City New Horizons Band (Euphonium)

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            • Jonathantuba
              Senior Member
              • Apr 2013
              • 296

              #7
              It has not been played enough by me to identify if water will spew from valves - but guess going from experience with front action tubas, that will not be a problem. John Powell of Tubalate is currently trialling the Festivo, so he may be able to conclusively say.
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              • DaveBj
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2011
                • 1064

                #8
                For a long time I played a Conn front-action 4-valve (see sig), and I don't remember ever having a problem with water from the valves. For both the vertical-valve Jinbao (both the euph and the bari) I had to get grime gutters.

                Jonathan, repeating what I said on FB, I'm hoping you can send someone with the prototype to IET in Atlanta, in June. The ergonomics of front valves are ingrained in my brain, since that's all I played from 1958 to 2012, and I'd love to try that horn out.
                David Bjornstad

                1923 Conn New Wonder 86I, Bach 6 1/2 AL
                2018 Wessex EP100 Dolce, Denis Wick 4ABL
                2013 Jinbao JBEP-1111L, Denis Wick 4AM
                2015 Jinbao JBBR-1240, Denis Wick clone mouthpiece of unknown designation
                Cullman (AL) Community Band (Euph Section Leader)
                Brass Band of Huntsville (2nd Bari)

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                • John Morgan
                  Moderator
                  • Apr 2014
                  • 1884

                  #9
                  The more I look at that horn, the more it is just "way too cool"! When I first looked at it, I thought genetic engineering for some odd reason I can't explain. It was just so different yet similar all at once. And this puts your peepers going around the right side as opposed to the left side with the classic upright 3+1 horns. I will be at ITEC, and even though I have a custom Adams E3 Euphonium in the works, and one of your fine Wessex Dolce Euphoniums (which I am keeping even after the Adams arrives), I want to try this horn. If I like it, who knows, I may unload the Wessex Dolce (several people I know already have asked me to sell it to them when my Adams arrives) and get one of these. They look easy to hold. Anxious to give it a blow at ITEC. Don't sell it before I get a chance!!

                  My wife, Linda, and I are traveling to ITEC on our almost new Harley Ultra Limited. Just got J&M headsets installed in some new helmets, so we can listen to an endless supply of top 10 euphonium hits on the way. Will not forget to bring my mouthpiece(s) along for testing all the good stuff at ITEC. I only mention the motorcycle because coming to ITEC with all the instruments to drool over is exceedingly dangerous - I may be inclined to buy way more things then I could possibly use or afford. The motorcycle kind of limits my buying to maybe valve oil or a new mouthpiece.
                  Last edited by John Morgan; 05-01-2016, 06:26 PM.
                  John Morgan
                  The U.S. Army Band (Pershing's Own) 1971-1976
                  Adams E3 Custom Series Euphonium, 1956 B&H Imperial Euphonium,
                  1973 F. E. Olds & Son Studio Model T-31 Baritone
                  Adams TB1 Tenor Trombone, Yamaha YBL-822G Bass Trombone
                  Year Round Except Summer:
                  Kingdom of the Sun (KOS) Concert Band, Ocala, FL (Euphonium)
                  KOS Brass Quintet (Trombone, Euphonium)
                  Summer Only:
                  Rapid City Municipal Band, Rapid City, SD (Euphonium)
                  Rapid City New Horizons Band (Euphonium)

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                  • 58mark
                    Senior Member
                    • Feb 2013
                    • 481

                    #10
                    As a tuba player, I LOVE THIS

                    this makes me double my efforts to get to ITEC, I may have to sell my king and move to one of these

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                    • bbocaner
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2009
                      • 1449

                      #11
                      This would be just the thing for playing in a symphonic brass ensemble next to a tubist who is pointing to the left.
                      --
                      Barry

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                      • euphdude
                        Senior Member
                        • Feb 2006
                        • 586

                        #12
                        I love the concept! The Willson 2975 is something I've long coveted...only Willson I really loved...but it was a lot of coin to justify. If this one plays as good as she looks, you'll have yourself another customer!
                        - Scott

                        Euphoniums: Dillon 967, Monzani MZEP-1150S, Dillon 1067 (kid’s horn)
                        Bass Trombones: Greenhoe GB5-3G, Getzen 1052FDR, JP232
                        King Jiggs P-bone

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                        • RickF
                          Moderator
                          • Jan 2006
                          • 3869

                          #13
                          Originally posted by bbocaner View Post
                          This would be just the thing for playing in a symphonic brass ensemble next to a tubist who is pointing to the left.
                          Yes, the 'Festivo' would be perfect in that setting. It could however be problematic in the standard euph section of a band where the popular euph design with bells facing to the right.
                          Very intriguing though. Kudos to those for coming up with this design.
                          Rick Floyd
                          Miraphone 5050 - Warburton BJ / RF mpc

                          "Always play with a good tone, never louder than lovely, never softer than supported." - author unknown.
                          Symphonic Band of the Palm Beaches

                          El Cumbanchero (Raphael Hernandez, arr. Naohiro Iwai)
                          The Cowboys (John Williams, arr. James Curnow)
                          Festive Overture(Dmitri Shostakovich)

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                          • Davidus1
                            Senior Member
                            • Jul 2008
                            • 622

                            #14
                            Bravo! What a neat design!
                            John 3:16


                            Conn Victor 5H Trombone
                            Yamaha 354 Trombone
                            Conn 15I Euphonium

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                            • adrian_quince
                              Senior Member
                              • Mar 2015
                              • 277

                              #15
                              To quote San Francisco legend Mike Krukow... "I wanna get that I wanna get that I wanna get that!"
                              Adrian L. Quince
                              Composer, Conductor, Euphoniumist
                              www.adrianquince.com

                              Kanstul 976 - SM4U

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