Lincolnshire Posy - Would Like Input/Opinions

[carbogast]

Thank you! - Carroll

[ackmondual]

It occurs in the solo in Movement 4, "The Brisk Young Sailor." The highest note in the solo should be an Eb, not an F, as notated. It only occurs in the 2010 Fennell edition, in the bass clef baritone part. I think it is correct in the treble clef version. In any case, the highest note of the solo should be a concert Eb.

We've done this piece recently in my ensemble. I recall hearing of this, and the correction being penciled in on the baritone horn part.

Speaking of which, the person there who played the BH part IIRC was probably on a euphonium (I didn't pay much attention to his instrument, other than it was a shiny silver. Plus, up until I found this site, I didn't know what the different between a BH and euphonium was). AFAIK, he didn't have a "proper BH" available. Also, we skipped the 3rd and 5th movements (Rufford Park Poachers and Lord Melbourne respectively).

[djwpe]

I knew I would find the answer to me question in this thread!!

I am preparing to play "Posy" with a band in March, and after learning from the old editions, the band purchased the Fennell "critical" edition parts and score. Of course, I noticed that "F" right away, and was wondering if that was a mistake in the critical edition. It's actually written that way in the score, and in the treble clef part as well.

The Indiana Wind Symphony played Lincolnshire Posy last year with yours truly doing the baritone part on a Yamaha 621 3+1 non-compensating baritone and 6 1/2 AL mouthpiece. I'll see if I can find a recording. The director showed some of those original vocal versions before we played the piece, and it added quite a bit of understanding for both the audience and for the performers.

The edition we played had a wrong note in the bass-clef baritone part in a solo passage--an F instead of an E-flat (probably a failure to un-transpose properly from the TC version). I didn't know the piece all that well before the IWS had its first rehearsal on it, and the entire band gasped en masse and about ground to a halt when they heard that note coming out of my bell at the rehearsal. ;-) They all KNEW the piece!!

[daruby]

Hi all,

I will be doing this in the next cycle with the Metropolitan Wind Symphony scheduled for a March 2019 performance. I will (of course) use my baritone. Thanks for the comments above. I will do my homework!

Doug

[eupher]

Baritone = baritone in Grainger land

I agree, the baritone part should be played on a baritone. I ran into an unelightened director who also insisted on having the part plated on a Euphonium. The sound quality is different and Grainger knew it.

Mike Shannon

I haven't gotten to play the baritone part, but I have played the euphonium part while someone else did it on euphonium, and I have played baritone on a number of other grainger pieces with the same instrumentation.

I have heard second-hand that one prominent educator tells his students to do it on euphonium because that sounds best, but I couldn't disagree more.

It absolutely MUST be done on baritone. Grainger was an amazing orchestrator and knew what he was doing. The blending with the horn section, trombone section, etc. in the baritone part is all over the piece, and it just doesn't work as well on euphonium. Euphonium is the usually the solo melody instrument, and baritone more of a background instrument, so for him to flip the roles around, he must've had a really good reason. If you listen to a folk singer do "the broken token" ( or also sometimes called "a pretty fair maiden" which is the real name for the movement that grainger calls the "brisk young sailor", which is a different fok song alltogether!), you'll understand why he put that melody in the baritone. It just fits.

[djwpe]

Hi all,

I will be doing this in the next cycle with the Metropolitan Wind Symphony scheduled for a March 2019 performance. I will (of course) use my baritone. Thanks for the comments above. I will do my homework!

Doug

I played it last year on baritone with the Grand Street Community Band in Brooklyn. NY. I found a great resource to be this video of Fennell rehearsing the navy band. I watched to whole thing and marked my part as he went. Also, check if your band owns the critical edition score and parts. If not, I own the set and can lend it to you.

https://youtu.be/9mNMCX93jGA

Don

[djwpe]

I know we're all agreed here that the baritone is the right choice. You'll notice in rehearsal if you listen in Lisbon especially that the baritone needs to blend with the horns. It was tough in our band with intonation and the distance between the euph and horn sections. Now I know why they sit the baritones and horns together in brass bands.

Don

[mbrooke]

I know we're all agreed here that the baritone is the right choice. You'll notice in rehearsal if you listen in Lisbon especially that the baritone needs to blend with the horns. It was tough in our band with intonation and the distance between the euph and horn sections. Now I know why they sit the baritones and horns together in brass bands.

Don

No horns in a brass band.

Mike

[DaveBj]

No horns in a brass band.

Mike

Eb alto horns are still called "horns".